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Subject: Affiliate Marketing Research Needed
Category: Business and Money > Advertising and Marketing
Asked by: myworldcards-ga
List Price: $30.00
Posted: 18 Jan 2003 09:38 PST
Expires: 17 Feb 2003 09:38 PST
Question ID: 145182
I would like to know the following:
1)A list of all affilliate Network companies that offer to put a
product through their network and get paid "usually a percentage of
the affiliates commission to manage the accounts". (similar to
Johnsonlane.com)
2)Details of each companies terms, such as Cost to setup and fees to
manage, do they require an Exclusive or not, time frame to get up and
selling.
3)How big their network is and I would like them listed in #1 from
large to small.
Note: The product we have is a Prepaid MasterCard, so please leave out
companies that only market information or don't allow the above!

Request for Question Clarification by ragingacademic-ga on 18 Jan 2003 13:10 PST
myworldcards -

Thanks for your question.

There are likely thousands of such companies.
Can you narrow your request down some?
How many such companies would you consider as an answer?

thanks,
ragingacademic
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Subject: Re: Affiliate Marketing Research Needed
Answered By: taxmama-ga on 21 Jan 2003 07:26 PST
 
Dear myworldcards,

Actually, while there may be many companies that offer
such services, there are only a few that have stood the
test of time. Many of the others, including MSN's 
(Clicksomthing or another) has shut their doors.

Most of the major services, like Commission Junction, 
BeFree and LinkShare cost over $5,000 per year, plus
the percentage fees.

You can find a list of the major ones, with a brief
outline of their costs and some pros and cons here:

http://taxmama.com/EBooks/NetworkingCruise2002.doc
(password to open = taxmama, then click 'read only')

[NOte: This syllabus was updated last April, so some
of the companies referenced may have already gone by
the wayside.]

You can find comments and reviews about the various
programs here, on Allan Gardyne's site
http://www.associateprograms.com/search/index.shtml

The book includes information about affiliate programs
that you can run from your own site/server. So, their
exclusivity and other potential restrictions won't 
affect you. For intstance http://groundbreak.com/
(Oh goodness, he's changed his system to simply charge
a membership fee to use his scripts! About $200/year.
Great value.)

Please let me know if I can clarify anything more.

Best wishes,

Your TaxMama-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by myworldcards-ga on 21 Jan 2003 08:31 PST
The first link went to a book of some sort which at the bottom was
fine since it gave some info on three Programs that I wanted info on.
Although it didn't give details about exclusive or size? I am sure
there are others besides the three listed? The second link wasn't
helpful since I am not interested in finding out about other Merchant
programs. The third was software, which we aren't interested in either
and like #2 wasn't part of my question! I would like info that was in
the first link at the bottom of the report for more of these "full
service" type of companies and details about them. Thanks,

Clarification of Answer by taxmama-ga on 22 Jan 2003 06:08 PST
Dear myworldcards,

Let me get back to you on more detail on the networks.

But, please clarify what you mean by size?
Size of merchant base? Size of affiliate base?

And you asked about companies that get
[paid "usually a percentage of the affiliates
commission to manage the accounts". ]

By 'manage' do you mean just providing the online tools?
Or do you want that to include cutting your checks,
and working with your affiliates?

You mention that you don't want an in-house program. 
Are you looking for a network that 'manages' your program
because you want access to their affiliate members?
Or because you want access to their tools?

Incidentally, don't worry about anyone's exclusivity clause.
In a major affiliate marketing meeting two years ago in San 
Francisco, we (the merchant community) had an intense discussion
with the two major 'exclusive' affiliate service providers -
LinkShare and BeFree. Both agreed that if you approach them
privately and discuss your reasons for wanting to use more than
one provider, it's quite likely they will waive the exclusivity
clause for you. 

In general, set up costs and/or minimums for the full-service 
providers will run you about $5,000 to start. Commission Junction
looks like it's less, but with their monthly minimums, it comes
out to the same thing - it's just spread over the year.

As to time to get the program up? That's up to you.
If you have all your graphics ready and your text for 
the affiliates to use, you can put the whole system up 
in one day.

More details later, after you let me know what you need. 

Meanwhile, I will start gathering some of the specifics 
for you about the programs that are available. 

Best wishes,

Your TaxMama-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by myworldcards-ga on 22 Jan 2003 07:44 PST
I mean by size that I want to know how big the network of affilliates
base is.

Yes we are only interested in companies that have networks of
affiliates and they offer them to market our product for a bounty fee.
Linkshare and Befree are two of these, same as Cj.com. Those are the
obvious ones and we thought that there may be others that are not as
popular but are up and comers that may not charge as much upfront to
setup like the others and still be viable with a decent affiliate
base?
Good note on the exclusive!

Clarification of Answer by taxmama-ga on 24 Jan 2003 12:16 PST
Hi myworldcards,

Sorry to take so long to get back to you. 
My DSL went down and I need to replace it.
(Sounds like it will take another week to get
a new provider.) Meanwhile, I'm on a borrowed
computer, so I can follow up with you. 

Here is a link to some of the top Affiliate Solution Providers (ASPs)
compiled by Shawn Collins, the manager of the ClubMom affiliate 
program. His is one of the most successful programs online.
http://www.affiliatemanager.net/asp.htm

Frankly, although you might find another 50 or 100 ASPs,
I wouldn't look further. They keep going out of business.
And from the point of view of the people who join your
programs, you don't want to be changing software on them. 

Being both a merchant and an affiliate, I can assure you
that switching programs will lose you most of your affiliates,
unless they are really loyal. 

If you want a longer list of progams to explore, the Refer-It
folks, from Internet.com have a 'rated' list. (Not all that informative)
http://refer-it.com/main.cfm?screen=displayList&cat=1031&header=directory


I'd like to stick with the companies that Shawn recommends.
Why? After several years at BeFree, Shawn just moved the
ClubMom program last year. So, his research is recent. 
(And, rest assured, his best affilates moved with him.)

He answers all of your questions on his comparison lists of ASPs
US Providers - http://www.affiliatemanager.net/aspcompare.htm  
UK Providers - http://www.dvisions.co.uk/AP_solution_matrix.pdf

Please note that Kowabunga's (My Affiliate Program)information
is on the international list. You definitely want to take a look
at that provider. Quite inexpensive. Lots of optional tools.
http://www.myaffiliateprogram.com

Aside from the fact that Shawn moved ClubMom there, they are the
absolutely most helpful solution provider, if you don't want to
run your Program on your own server - AND if you are looking for 
referrals to affilate members. 

Why? Because the folks at Kowabunga provide the most hands-on support
to help you build and develop your program. They have Team Affiliate
with people like the Affiliate Goddess, Linda Woods, and Wade Tonkin, 
who, for an additional fee, will hold your hand. Help you set up your
program. Guide you through the kinds of creatives that will be most 
effective. And them market you to their affiliate membership. (Even
paying for these personal consultants, your costs will be less than
half of what you'll spend with the other big programs.) They make
your contacts for you, among the top affiliates and market your to 
the people who will sell your program - not just join it.

Besides, the Kowabunga folks know everyone. They are the only ASP who
goes to all the major and many minor affilate events. Members know
who they are. And as a merchant, you can certainly call up the 
president and get personal help any time you need it. 

You asked about numbers - membership of the recommended
companies. Well, the numbers of affiliates signed up for 
the programs aren't nearly as important as how many active
affiliates there are. 

Kowabunga, BeFree, CJ and LinkShare have thousands of affiliates
or publishers. Your target audience is a member of ALL those 
programs, as well as the others Shawn listed. They all have
some advantages and some disadvantages. All of them are constantly
adding better communications and linking tools. 

The fact is, you don't want thousands of affilates. They are
very expensive to support, for the small amount of return they
bring. They eat up your time with endless requests for support.
They rarely sell anything. (The only advantage is that your 
brand gets seen many places. Is that enough?) 

Honestly. You want do about 50 or 100 that actually sell. 
The good ones, the Super Affiliates, are members of all the 
major programs. But they only market a few key merchants, each. 
(These are the guys that earn $5,000/mo and up in affilate 
commissions. Many are in the quarter million dollar range...)

The big difference among them is that none of the major programs
have anyone to do personal introductions for you. They all have
mass mailing tools. And tools to let you do targeted mailings to
subsets of their members. Frankly, I delete all that junk. Most
affiliates do.

But when someone contacts me personally, and says,"Look, here is
a new Merchant that I know will be a good match for your site. 
And, you know what, I will arrange a special commission deal for
you." I sit up and take notice. 

Besides, from an affilate viewpoint? Having someone invite me
personally, and stay on my back about getting those links up...
well, I am more apt to do that, than just seeing a program I 
like and putting it into my TO DO file. 

One other thing you may want to consider. The length of the link.
Since the best way to market is via text or newsletters, the
shorter the link, the more easily your affilates can use them.
BeFree and LinkShare fall down in this aspect.

I do hope this helps. Let me check back in tomorrow to see if
you have any questions. 

Best wishes

Your TaxMama-ga

P.S. I am using http://1automationwiz.com
While the program does run on their server, it doesn't have all 
the same affiliate based recruiting as those above. Their 
communications, tracking and upsell tools and autoresponders are
phenomenal. But, it acts more like an in-house ASP than the 
ones Shawn lists. And this doesn't seem to be what you want.
Comments  
Subject: Re: Affiliate Marketing Research Needed
From: webadept-ga on 18 Jan 2003 13:03 PST
 
Hi, 

You might want to take a look at this page:

http://answers.google.com/answers/pricing.html

Your question envolves a lot of work.
Subject: Re: Affiliate Marketing Research Needed
From: bio-ga on 19 Jan 2003 15:02 PST
 
Hi

You may want to check http://www.cj.com for an idea of commission
rates of different products.

Bio

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