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Subject:
The Black Dahlia
Category: Arts and Entertainment Asked by: nexafs-ga List Price: $8.00 |
Posted:
20 Jan 2003 07:58 PST
Expires: 19 Feb 2003 07:58 PST Question ID: 145926 |
Is the following web page legitimate, that is does it tell a true story, or is it a hoax? http://blackdahliasolution.org/index.htm |
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Re: The Black Dahlia
Answered By: tar_heel_v-ga on 20 Jan 2003 08:36 PST Rated: ![]() |
nxafs.. The web page you are referring to does in fact tell a true story. Elizabeth Short was a Massachusetts native who moved to California, at the age of 19, in 1943. On Januaray 15, 1947, Short's severed body was found in a vacant lot in Hollywood. Due to the brutality of the murder, the case was immediately sensationalized by the Hollywood press. The case, some 55 years later, is still considered unsolved, though there were may men and women who confessed to the killing, but were later disproved by police. There have been several books and documentaries created regarding the case. Now, as for the validity of the page you are referring to in regards to solving the case, that I can't speak to and I don't think anyone can. While the page you are asking about is fascinating reading and investigative technique, as you will see by some of the references I have provided, there are several theories as to who the real killer of Elizabeth Short was. Chances are, the case will never be "solved", but it remains on the of the great murder mysteries of the 20th century. Thanks for your question. I hope the above information has been helpful. If you need any additional clarification, please let me know. Regards, -THV References: The Black Dahlia Web site http://www.bethshort.com/ Books about the Beth Short Case http://www.bethshort.com/dahnvls.htm Black Dahlia http://www.crimelibrary.com/dahlia/doll.htm The Undying Mystery of the Black Dahlia http://www.sandiego-online.com/issues/jan97/dahlia.stm |
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rated this answer:![]() Just what I was looking for. |
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Re: The Black Dahlia
From: mathtalk-ga on 21 Jan 2003 09:01 PST |
Hi, nexafs-ga: Thanks for posting this interesting question, and thanks, too, to tar_heel_v for the nicely researched answer. As a side light, the Suzanne Degnan case in Chicago, which is purported by the Web site in question to have been a model for the Black Dahlia slaying, resulted in the conviction of William Heirens. The fairness of this has been called into question. It is undisputed that the police at the time used methods of coercion that would be considered outrageous today: http://www.freeheirens.com/background.html regards, mathtalk-ga |
Subject:
Re: The Black Dahlia
From: figure8out-ga on 22 Jan 2003 18:19 PST |
Hi-- For what it's worth, I've read a lot of the books about the Dahlia. Most of them make compelling reading, but, like the many books on Jack the Ripper, none offer a firm, absolutely convincing solution. One of the best is: Childhood Shadows: The Hidden Story of the Black Dahlia Murder by Mary Pacios, a childhood friend of Beth Short's. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1585004847/qid=1043286637/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-0268762-7908758?v=glance&s=books Ms. Pacios' allegations as to the identity of the Dahlia killer are controversial to say the least! (I don't want to spoil the surprise, but it's a good one) It's to her credit that she manages to offer some interesting circumstancial evidence but, ultimately, I have to say I don't buy it. John Gilmore's Severed is probably the best written of the bunch, and best at conveying a real sense of the time, the place, and the mystery. I'd recommend this one as the place to start but, again, the solution Gilmore offers is not very compelling. James Ellroy's novel "The Black Dahlia" is okay, not one of Ellroy's best, by any means. I liked his "My Dark Places" better. That book, a memoir about the murder of Ellroy's mother, deals with the Dahlia in a more peripheral, altogether more sensitive, manner. In the documentary "James Ellroy: Demon Dog of American Crime Fiction" Ellroy takes us to the site where Elizabeth Short's body was found as it looks today and has a few impassioned words about the mystery and the memory of Ms. Short. The loopiest book is "Daddy was the Black Dahlia Killer" by Janice Knowlton--one of those 'recovered memory' books that were so prevalent in the mid-90's. It's pretty unbelievable, and unbelievably lurid, as well, but is a good, sick read. Anyway, just browsing through Google Answers and thought I'd throw my two cents in. There are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of books, songs, and films that reference the Elizabeth Short murder. For some reason, and I don't pretend to know why, this mystery seems to be one of those flashpoints of American culture--an illumination of the whole dark zeitgeist of the 20th century, you dig? |
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