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Q: Sound quality of belly dance hip scarves ( Answered 4 out of 5 stars,   1 Comment )
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Subject: Sound quality of belly dance hip scarves
Category: Arts and Entertainment > Performing Arts
Asked by: drpam-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 24 Jan 2003 14:13 PST
Expires: 23 Feb 2003 14:13 PST
Question ID: 148128
What determines the quality of the sound produced by a belly dance hip
scarf or coin belt?  Some have a very musical sound, while others make
more of a clicking sound rather than jingling?
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Subject: Re: Sound quality of belly dance hip scarves
Answered By: sublime1-ga on 24 Jan 2003 18:24 PST
Rated:4 out of 5 stars
 
drpam...

The quality of the sound depends, as you might expect,
from the type of materials used in making the coins.
Although information regarding the nature of these materials
is not easily located on the internet, I was able to locate
the following references:

Brass finished coins seem to represent the highest quality,
and would make the richest sound:

"Made of the finest materials and beautifully decorated
 with brass finished coins, this scarf will enhance your
 workout and dance experience. The tinkling sound of the
 coins is an integral part of Bellydancing and will
 transform you magically to another land!"
From the PinkGypsy website:
http://www.pinkgypsy.com/bellytwins/hipscarves.htm


Plated aluminum coins are a less expensive option
which doubtless produce a more tinny sound:

"Loose Turkish aliminium coins in bags of 1000 in gold,
 silver or bronze colour"
From Hillary Thacker's Bazaar:
http://home.btclick.com/jonathan.snell/bazaar/jewellery.html


Plated nickel is another option. This should produce
a richer sound than aluminum, as it is a heavier metal:

"Hand-made from light weight silver/golden-plated nickel
 metal pieces that replicate silver/golden coins."
From ShopAtEgypyt's belly dancing costume catalog:
http://shopategypt.com/bellydancingcostumes4.htm


A much cheaper solution, with a sound quality to match,
I'm sure, is the plastic coin:

"Wrap. Free size. Gold or silver holographic plastic
 coins, in any colour."
From Hillary Thacker's Bazaar:
http://home.btclick.com/jonathan.snell/bazaar/clothing.html


And here's a response in a thread about belly dancing
coins where the offer was made to put the questioner
in touch with the author of a handbook on making your
own coins!:

"contact master emmerich aka james coffman
at emrik@reninet.com. The books are $10."
From the Arador Armour Library forum on the
Brothers Grymme website:
http://www.brothersgrymme.org/arador/forum/archives/200004/messages/6862.html


Shira, who runs the most extensive site I ran across
in relation to belly dancing, authors a column called
'Ask the Costume Goddess'. She welcomes email questions,
and would be an excellent resource for further exploration.
She notes that:

"Many Arab import shops have several types of brass and
 nickel coins with a medium weight, as well as ready-made
 costume pieces. Coin shops might have foreign coins
 suitable for the purpose. Surf the web--there are many
 vendors who sell either real or imitation coins for use
 on belly dance costumes. Obviously, you'll have to do
 some shopping with your belt and compare the look and
 feel of the belt with the coins you're considering
 purchasing."
http://www.shira.net/cg/buycoins.htm

Here's the page to write a letter to 'Dear Shira'.
http://www.shira.net/dearshira.htm

Her email address is on this page:
http://www.shira.net/emailme.htm


Callista's Middle Eastern Dance site recommends Pat Cajan's:
"1 bag of assorted coins that have holes gold or silver
 [you can get 90 for $3 at PatCatan's]"
http://www.angelfire.com/goth/bellydance/costuming.html


Pat Cajan's Craft Centers are located in Ohio and New Jersey.
Their online presence is here, but it doesn't look like you
can order online:
http://www.patcatans.com/

You may be able to obtain a catalog and purchase by mail.
Their contact page is here:
http://www.patcatans.com/Tips/contact_us.html


Please do not rate this answer until you are satisfied that
the answer cannot be improved upon by means of a dialog
established through the "Request for Clarification" process.

sublime1-ga


Searches done, via Google:

bellydancing "hip scarf"
://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=bellydancing+%22hip+scarf%22&btnG=Google+Search

bellydancing "hip scarf" sounds
://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=bellydancing+%22hip+scarf%22+sounds&btnG=Google+Search

belly dancing "hip scarf" sounds
://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&q=belly+dancing+%22hip+scarf%22+sounds&spell=1

belly dancing "hip scarf" +sounds
://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=belly+dancing+%22hip+scarf%22+%2Bsounds&btnG=Google+Search

"hip scarf" +sounds
://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=%22hip+scarf%22+%2Bsounds&btnG=Google+Search

"belly dancing" coins buy
://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=%22belly+dancing%22+coins+buy&btnG=Google+Search

"belly dancing" coins
://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=%22belly+dancing%22+coins&btnG=Google+Search

"belly dancing coins"
://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=%22belly+dancing+coins%22&btnG=Google+Search

"hip scarf" materials
://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=%22hip+scarf%22+materials&btnG=Google+Search

Pat Catan's
://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=Pat+Catan%27s&btnG=Google+Search

Request for Answer Clarification by drpam-ga on 26 Jan 2003 20:10 PST
Hi sublime1,

Did any of the sources you found actually talk about sound quality, or
are you making assumptions about sound quality from the marketing of
different scarves?  "Made of the finest materials" sounds to me to be
a marketing phrase, rather than a comparison of quality with other
materials.

I had already submitted my question to the Costume Goddess, but since
I hadn't heard from her, I thought I'd try Google answers as well.

I must say that the searches you performed are not so different from
my own, and I also did a much more extensive search without success,
which is why I offered the $20 price tag--I knew this was a pretty
hard question.

I'm not so happy with the answer, since you seem to be simply telling
me the relative prices of different coin materials--information I
could have gotten quite easily.  The jump from price and some spin by
a seller to assumptions about sound quality seems pretty iffy to me.

If I missed something in your response, please let me know.  This is
my first use of Google answers, so maybe I am expecting too much?  But
I thought the higher price might get me the answer that I hadn't been
able to find myself.

Thanks for any clarification,
-Pam

Clarification of Answer by sublime1-ga on 26 Jan 2003 23:08 PST
drpam...

I'm sorry to learn that my efforts only duplicated your own
(something which can be avoided in the future by including
what information your own searches have already yielded in
your initial question).

I based my 'assumptions' about sound quality on the fact that
I have an ear for music such that I play 3 instruments by ear,
and have aural memories of the different qualities of sound
produced by different metals. The purest sound, by the way,
would be produced by the unique (and secret) alloy of 22
different metals used in the making of authentic Tibetan
Bells, which produce a more pure sound than an electronic
oscillator is capable of making.

While I'm confident that my searches were thorough, and that
it is very improbable that further information along the lines
you seek is going to be found online, I can ask the editors
to remove my answer, if that is your wish, which will allow
other researchers to explore the question. If the editors agree
to remove the answer, I can copy and post my current answer,
including the searches I performed, as well as your subsequent
clarification, as a comment, to better inform the efforts of
future attempts.

Let me know your wishes.

sublime1-ga
drpam-ga rated this answer:4 out of 5 stars
Hi sublime1,

Seems like a reasonable clarification to me.  Maybe this is just not a
good question for the online world at this point.  But thanks for your
search and for the clarification.  Your own expertise in this area
probably tells me more than a web site could.

No need to remove your answer.  I suspect, given your popularity and
satisfaction ratings, that if neither you nor I could find an answer,
there is probably not an online answer to be had.  I will take your
advice about documenting my own search results next time I use Google
answers.

Take care,
-Pam

Comments  
Subject: Re: Sound quality of belly dance hip scarves
From: lisanna-ga on 09 Mar 2005 06:28 PST
 
I own a bellydance store, www.salomestent.com , and from handling
hundreds of scarves i can verify that every scarf has its own sound
and personality. it is a matter of individual taste, not so much
"quality".  I suggest that if you are looking to buy one online, you
ask the vendor to describe its sound - at times I have even jingled it
over the phone for a client. If you are looking to make a scarf from
loose coins, you can control the sound best by how you place the coins
- how much they overlap and hit each other. in general, lighter weight
coins, such as the modern costume coin, make the brightest sound, and
the antique or heavy coins, make more of a clacking noise.  position
and quantity of the coins matters a lot - remember that - not just the
material of the coin itself.
hope that helps a little.

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