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Subject: Hard drive system requirements
Category: Computers > Hardware
Asked by: wolvies-ga
List Price: $6.00
Posted: 27 Jan 2003 04:58 PST
Expires: 26 Feb 2003 04:58 PST
Question ID: 149039
Am looking out of necessity to buy a new hard-drive for my pc running
windows 98se on a pentium 2 233mhz, are there any limitations or
requirements for a hard drive that this set up will not be able to run
? Would there be any limitations in the BIOS ?

Request for Question Clarification by hibiscus-ga on 27 Jan 2003 05:14 PST
Hello wolvies, 

Generally speaking there should not be any serious limitations for
your hard drive selection, but I would be able to tell you more
precisely if you could provide your BIOS type and revision number, or
at least the brand of your motherboard. If it's a brand-name system
then the model number would be just as good.  You can probably find
your BIOS revision on the startup screen that appears when you first
boot you computer (the black screen with information listed, not the
Windows splash screen).  Just hit the Pause button (up by the Num Lock
light) to freeze the boot process and write down the BIOS manufacturer
and revision number. From that we can figure out what exact
limitations your system would have.

Hibicsus

Clarification of Question by wolvies-ga on 27 Jan 2003 05:26 PST
Of course I realised after writing the question that the operating
system I INTEND to use on the PC is probably not germaine. The make is
a Dell, though its a bit hashed together (ie more memory was added, a
CD-RW and a couple of PCI cards) - I can't give exact details as its
not working now :( so I am somewhere else writing this question. I
guess, after having done a little reading, the questions are :-

1. Does the processor make any difference ?
2. I assume I have the older version of fdisk, does this limit the
maximum size to 64gb ?
3. If extra drivers/software is needed to install the hard drive can
these work on a hard-driveless system (as I am replacing a kaput drive
not adding an extra one) ?

Thanks !
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Subject: Re: Hard drive system requirements
Answered By: hibiscus-ga on 27 Jan 2003 06:23 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Hello, 

You're right, the intended OS makes a big difference here, but
assuming that you're sticking with 98SE then I'll lay out the issues
you might face.  If you're running later versions of Windows you will
face fewer problems with large drives.  You will also probably face
fewer problems if you install Linux, but I am no expert on Linux so I
couldn't tell you with any certainty.

To answer your questions in order, let's start with the processsor
question.  The short answer is no, the processor doesn't care about
the drive and the drive doesn't care about the processor.  As long as
the BIOS works with the drive you should not have any problem.  The
big issue revolves around the BIOS.  First thing to do is to get the
latest BIOS revision from the Dell web site.  Go to
http://support.dell.com and select the appropriate system type.  Under
the Downloads tab you should be able to choose the latest BIOS
Firmware update.  This isn't a perfect solution though, because drives
over 128GB use 48-bit logical block addressing (LBA).  If the BIOS
upgrade doesn't provide support for 48-bit LBA then the system will
not report drive sizes larger than 128GB.  This doesn't necessarily
mean that the drive won't work, just that it won't be able to use any
extra capacity over 128GB.

You're right about limitations of the older version of fidsk.  Windows
98 and 98SE fdisk uses some 16 bit values to calculate the size of the
drive.  If the drive is larger than 64 GB fdisk gets confused.  There
is an update available from Microsoft.  The update file is here:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/Win98/Update/8266R/W98/EN-US/263044USA8.EXE
and the full Knowledgebase article is here:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B263044

You will likely run in to problems if you are installing this drive on
a system with no previous OS installed though, because the update
wants to run on a system with Win98 already installed.  So, your
solution may be that you must run the update on a working 98 system,
then copy the fdisk.exe to a disk for use on the new system.  The file
you want to copy should have the following attributes (as described in
the MS Knowledgebase article):

  Date      Time     Size    File name  Operating System
  ---------------------------------------------------------------
  05/19/00  10:30am  64,428  Fdisk.exe  Windows 98
  05/18/00   8:35am  64,460  Fdisk.exe  Windows 98 Second Edition
				
Be aware though, that this version of fidsk does not work with 48-bit
LBA and does not support drives over 137 GB.

So you should be pretty safe with a drive up to 128 GB, unless your
system is very old and there is no BIOS update available.  For larger
drives you can probably overcome problems by using the installation
software provided by the manufacturer.  Seagate DiscWizard can work
from a floppy disc or CD, so it doesn't require a bootable system to
work.  The WD software operates in the same way.  But, for each of
these you'll need access to the manufacturer's web sites in order to
get the software.  So you'll need to prepare yourself for the
installation on a working system ahead of time.

Unless you're really in desperate need of very large amounts of
storage space you're probably best to just keep the size of the drive
to 120 GB or less.  Not that you can't use something bigger, but
you'll eliminate the risk of undue hassle by using a smaller drive. 
The other thing to keep in mind is that the older PII system is likely
to have an ATA-33 or ATA-66 interface, while newer drives will have
ATA-100 or ATA-133 interfaces.  The new drives are compatible with
older interfaces, but you will not appreciate the full performance
capabilities of the new drive on an older system.  You might consider
whether it's worth spending a lot of money on a big, fast drive if the
system isn't going to be able to take advantage of the drive's
performance.

Best of luck to you with the installation.  You probably won't have
too much trouble as long as you stick with a reasonably sized drive.

Hibiscus

Clarification of Answer by hibiscus-ga on 27 Jan 2003 06:25 PST
Oh, and I should point out my search strategy to you:

On the MS knowledgebase: win98se fdisk 64GB, win98 fdisk update

On Google: dell p2 bios update, dell win98se drive size limit

Request for Answer Clarification by wolvies-ga on 28 Jan 2003 04:35 PST
THANKS for your help - bought and installed one last night and it
works fine. The tiny slave drive off the old kaput hd won't slave to
this one, but thats another problem :)

Clarification of Answer by hibiscus-ga on 28 Jan 2003 11:58 PST
Glad to hear it worked out for you.  Sometimes getting older drives to
work with new ones can be a pain, it's true.  You might want to try
running it as a master on the second IDE channel.

Hibiscus
wolvies-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $2.00
Thanks - in general it seems I should be okay with anything around c40
gig or less (which is a lot more than I had and is within my price
range). Good to know its only the complexity of trying to install the
thing to look forward to...

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