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History of the Word "Hello" of Hungarian / Magyar Origin "halo"? Linguistics?
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: ocelaris-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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29 Jan 2003 00:47 PST
Expires: 28 Feb 2003 00:47 PST Question ID: 149850 |
Hello, I was in Hungary with my fiancee visiting her relatives, and I had always heard her relatives say "halo" like hello with an 'a', just like the germans say it. Anyways, I just assumed that it was the hungarians copying the germans, as did my fiancee who speaks fluent hungarian. Until the last day of our trip, somehow it came up about the word halo. The Hungarians say "halo" before meeting you as a greeting, and as a goodbye, it means something of "I acknowledge you're there". Anyways, the curiosity of the hungarian usage peaked my interest. Our host explained that "halo" was indeed a hungarian word of origin, and that it developed from when Edison was first inventing the telephone, his assistant whom was Hungarian, reccomended that the word "halo" be used as a greeting when you answer the phone. So came to be the word "hello" as edison pronounced it. I'm not sure, but I did a little research, and noted that Edison's assistant was probably "Nikola Tesla" the famous hungarian scientist who invented AC current (versus Edison's DC current). My question is, what is the history of the word "Hello" To me the curious use of the word "halo" as a greeting and a goodbye seems to make a good case for it's origin in hungary, as no other country uses it in that way that I'm aware of. You can imagine my confusion as my fiancee's non-english speaking aunt says "hello" when we're saying good byes! Thanks for your help. Bill Gould |
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Re: History of the Word "Hello" of Hungarian / Magyar Origin "halo"? Linguisti
Answered By: juggler-ga on 29 Jan 2003 01:54 PST Rated: ![]() |
Hello. Various online dictionaries contain no indication that "hello" is of Hungarian/Magyar origin. From the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language: "Hello... Alteration of hallo, alteration of obsolete holla, stop!, perhaps from Old French hola : ho, ho! + la, there (from Latin illac, that way)." Source: bartleby.com http://www.bartleby.com/61/60/H0136000.html From an archived "Cool Word" posting: "As you might expect for such a common word, its origins are extremely ancient. In Chaucer's time, the word was hallow, and by the time of Shakespeare it was halloo. The root may have been a cry, holla (Stop!), which probably came from Old French hola (Ho there!), a compound of ho (ho!) and la (there)." Archived by mail-archive.com http://www.mail-archive.com/word@tlk-lists.com/msg00094.html From Wordorigins.com: "It is a variant of hallo, which dates to 1840 and is a cry of surprise. That in turn is related to halloo , a cry to urge on hunting dogs. Halloo dates to about 1700, but a variant, aloo, appears in Shakespeare's King Lear a century earlier than that. And there is an even earlier variant, hollo, which dates to at least 1588 when Shakespeare used it in Titus Andronicus. There are also cognates in other Germanic languages." http://www.wordorigins.org/wordorh.htm According to the web page "Communicating with Hungarians," the situation that you encountered in Hungary apparently results from the fact that the Hungarians words "Szia" and "Szervusz" are used interchangeably for "hello" and "goodbye." As such, some Hungarian speakers carry this practice over the to English and use "hello" as a farewell. From the web page "Communicating with Hungarians": "Did you know? Szia and Szervusz are used by friends when meeting or parting. Both can mean either 'hello" or 'goodbye.' This will explain why Hungarians who speak English sometimes say 'hello' when they are leaving, instead of 'goodbye.'" Hosted by University of Toronto: http://cwr.utoronto.ca/cultural/english/hungary/commun.html If it's any comfort, others have experienced the same thing: "Hungarians have a strange verbal pattern when saying goodbye. Even when speaking Hungarian, when all goodbyes have been said, they suddenly say 'Hallo'. This can also be heard when they are finishing phone conversations. I understand that this may be spelled 'Halo' in Hungarian, but it is used likewise when they speak English, and suddenly, just when you think the goodbyes have been said - 'Hallo'." Source: The British Society for Plant Pathology http://www.bspp.org.uk/bsppnews/bsppnews38/bsppnews38-10.htm Interestingly, according to a 1992 Usenet message, there's a Hungarian urban legend that suggests that the word "hello" was derived from a form of the Hungarian word "hall-" (meaning "hear"). The claim is that when Hungarians began to use telephones, they would pick up the receiver and say "hallo" (essentially meaning "I'm hearing" as a signal to the person on the other end of the call). As the author of this message points out, though, this theory is not plausible since the English "hello" long predates the invention of the telephone. http://groups.google.com/groups?&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&client=googlet&selm=116uqiINNor3%40agate.berkeley.edu&rnum=1 search strategy: hello, halloo, hallo, hollo, etymology, hungarians, "say hallo", "say hello" I hope this helps. Hello. :-) | |
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ocelaris-ga
rated this answer:![]() Thank you juggler, I looked up hello in dictionary.com, but didn't find anything about hungary. Of course I'm always skeptical that word roots get do credit if they come from languages not along english's primary roots (french, german etc..). But the overriding fact that Hungarians Szia and Szervusz is proof enough to me that they might have adopted a similar usage for "hello". The Urban legend part was really all I needed for proof of it's improbability. The Usenet message about it being a hungarian tradition was something along what I was looking for. I forgot to mention that as the story was told to me, Edison was looking for a word to answer the phone, and Tesla reccomended they use the word Hallo to answer the phone. Anyways, I think it is sufficient proof that this is a question that has an answer that let's you believe whatever you want :-) I for one now can put it up into the improbable urban legends. Thanks for your help. Best, Bill Gould |
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Re: History of the Word "Hello" of Hungarian / Magyar Origin "halo"? Linguistics?
From: czh-ga on 29 Jan 2003 02:55 PST |
I'm a native-speaking Hungarian (although my skills are somewhat rusty because I don't get to use it often) but I can add some information for you. The word you're asking about is "hallo" and I believe it's derived from, or associated with, the root "hall" which means "hear." "Listen" is "hallgat" and "I'm listening" is "hallgatok." I have a hunch that the Hungarian "hallo" when answering the phone comes from this expression. (I have no idea who Edison's assistant was and whether they spoke Hungarian.) My guess is that "Hallo" as a greeting or goodbye also is a derivation from the root "hall." Juggler's research was interesting and I hope there are other researchers or readers here who can add more about the etymology, history and usage of the Hungarian "hallo." czh |
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Re: History of the Word "Hello" of Hungarian / Magyar Origin "halo"? Linguisti
From: juggler-ga on 29 Jan 2003 06:47 PST |
Czh's point is interesting, but it's more or less the same as what was described as follows in the above-referenced Usenet message: "There's a persistent rumour that we all say "hello" because, in the old days of telephony, the Hungarians would pick up the receiver and yell hallo' "hearing" into the mouthpiece. This is hogwash of course (it's a cute coincidence, but the English hallo as an exclamation to get attention or to call for a halt predates the telephone, and besides that particular form of the verb hall "hear" is not a likely choice for the given function) but a surprising number of Hungarians believe it fervently." http://groups.google.com/groups?&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&client=googlet&selm=116uqiINNor3%40agate.berkeley.edu&rnum=1 |
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Re: History of the Word "Hello" of Hungarian / Magyar Origin "halo"? Linguistics?
From: czh-ga on 29 Jan 2003 11:54 PST |
juggler, you set me to exploring further and I'm now lost to the addictive passions of etymology. It seems the origins of "hallo" -- just like "hello" -- is not easily tracked down. ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=hallo&btnG=Google+Search Searching for "hallo" shows its use in many European countries and the discussions of its etymology get merged with discussions of the etymology of "hello" -- which is also highly debated. I was amazed at the number of discussions about it -- most of which quote the same sources you found. My favorite one is Heaven and Hello. http://www.endicott-studio.com/forhello.html Thanks for launching me on this quest. czh |
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