I have come across an all-natural way to increase female sexual
response, through a very particular diet and special exercise.  There
is no hope of getting funding for a double-blind placebo-controlled
study because there are too many variables and the approach is not
patentable.  Also, one of the first steps is to eschew birth control
pills and antidepressants, so the approach is the subject of some
hostility from the medical community.  I am feeling rather discouraged
because while I have some very good anecdotal evidence, I have no
credibility and I am not a doctor or a scientist.  Each one of my
steps has excellent science behind it, but no one has examined the
result of putting the five steps together, which is nothing short of
remarkable.

I have tried contacting the foremost urologist specializing in female
sexual dysfunction, I have tried enlisting participants from the
primary online messageboard for FSD, I have contacted the Our Bodies,
Ourselves Boston Women's Health Book Collective, I have contacted Gina
Ogden, I have contacted my midwife, I have posted to Oprah's online
messageboards, I have written to Betty Dodson and Lou Paget and I have
come up with nothing.  I have decided that I need to start off with a
biased group of women that would be open to my approach, even though
it would compromise the study somewhat, just to get women to try it.

I am looking for a listing of groups of women
a.) open to talking about sexual matters
b.) distrustful of the medical establishment
c.) interested in healthy living and natural approaches to healing
d.) of menstruating age
e.) willing to take control of their own sexuality
f.) if possible, located in the Boston area but I am very flexible
about location, will travel anywhere in the United States.

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Request for Question Clarification by politicalguru-ga on 29 Jan 2003 09:03 PST

Do you need help in finding such a group of women? If not, what is
your specific requirement of the researchers?

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Clarification of Question by zaneblue-ga on 29 Jan 2003 09:11 PST

Yes I need help in finding such a group of women.  I have already
contacted all the groups of women that I can think of that fall into
this category and been turned down, so I was hoping to find additional
groups I could contact.  I was hoping for some sort of listing that I
could work my way through.  Sorry I was not more clear

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Request for Question Clarification by websearcher-ga on 29 Jan 2003 09:18 PST

Hi zaneblue:

Thanks for the clarification. :-)

What would be of great help to us would be a list of the groups you
have already contacted, so we don't suplicate your efforts.

Thanks.

websearcher

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Request for Question Clarification by websearcher-ga on 29 Jan 2003 09:36 PST

Of course, "suplicate" in the previous message should read "duplicate". :-)

websearcher-ga

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Clarification of Question by zaneblue-ga on 29 Jan 2003 09:38 PST

Um, I thought I did list the groups of women I have contacted in my
original question.  I apologize again for being unclear.  Would it
help to give the five steps?  The whole approach is spelled out on my
website, www.orgasmicdiet.com  I didn't want to post the URL
originally because I thought it might be construed as advertising,
although I'm not selling anything.  But maybe it will help with
narrowing down the search to see what I would want the women to do.

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Request for Question Clarification by websearcher-ga on 29 Jan 2003 09:40 PST

Hi zaneblue:

Please forgive my thickness. I didn't realize that what you wrote
represented a *complete* list of your efforts.

I will attempt to find you more possibilities now. 

websearcher-ga

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Request for Question Clarification by acorn-ga on 16 Feb 2003 18:06 PST

First, please understand that I'm not trying to disparage you, your
work or your efforts, but simply to understand.

Why do you personally wish to set up a double-blind placebo-controlled
study...or any study at all...'before the end of the year' or at any
time at all?  Throughout the discussion here you say that you're not a
doctor or scientist, you're not selling anything, you already have
"very good anecdotal evidence", have almost been on Oprah, and you
have so much [science behind your ideas] that large research
institutions are interested in conducting larger studies on them".

I understand that you say you want to 'change the world' and want
women to know their options. This is laudable.

But what I'm trying to understand is why you think that a study by you
would be seen as being of scientific validity (and I'm not talking
about 'white coat' validity) or, indeed, any validity at all?  It's
one thing for you to claim 'excellent science' but that's easy for
anyone to claim, unfortunately.

Why not work with what you have...a theory and anecdotal
evidence...and write articles for the numerous women-related ezines,
using your name, by the way, and establish credibility that way? 
After all, if your goal is to get women to know of this option,
getting the word out seems to be what you want to do, not have a
study...heck, how many women STILL don't know about the G-spot...or
tell their partner if they do...even after the Ladas, Whipple and
Perry study?

FYI - I read your website and was struck by a couple of things.  One
was that it didn't seem to be 'by' anyone.  The only place there was
even any contact information was on the Message Board page, and that
was only the zaneblue email address.  I can understand that you might
want to avoid the bother that could be associated with having a
sexuality-related website, but when your site refers to "the
publishers of this website deny any liability or responsibility for
loss or damage allegedly caused by information on this site" but has
no contact info anywhere at all other than an email address, that does
not speak well as to the credibility of the site.

In addition, while your website makes many claims, there are few
citations/references to support them and almost all of the sites you
do cite are not studies themselves, but summaries with no links to the
studies themselves.

For example, one link is "A new study from the University of Virginia
says many of the newer mood-enhancing drugs, antidepressants, cause
significant sexual dysfunction" but when you click on that link, you
go to yet another page on the same website that is of an online
conference that has absolutely nothing to do with the UVa study. 
Another citation summary links to the identical summary in a campus
newspaper.

I can certainly understand your wanting to make your website
understandable by the layperson, but there's nothing really there that
supports your 'excellent science' research claim, even though the site
'sounds' scientific.  Also I couldn't even find any anecdotal evidence
on the website that this works or that anyone has even tried it.

Your theory may very well be right on the money but without my
understanding your motivation for running a study by yourself, I can
only think that your attempts to run your own study are not the way to
go.

Hi zaneblue:

Please don't feel like you're at fault here. I obviously am not
getting it. I think I may be the wrong Researcher for this question. I
am going to request that my answer be removed by the Google Answer
editors so that someone else can give it a shot. That way my ramblings
won't cost you anything and you will get the best possible service.
:-)

I have appended some of your most recent details below so that they
will be available for the next researcher who tries to answer (the
Clarification Request below will be removed as well). And please don't
be discouraged - I think your question is well within the scope of
this service - we just needed to flush out the details and get you the
right Researcher.

Sorry for the delay and thanks for your patience. 

websearcher-ga


**********from customer**************

I guess I should list a summary of the approach
here--first step, give up birth control pills and all stimulants,
including antidepressant drugs, second step, take a regimen of
vitamins (listed on my website) and high dosages of fish oil, third
step, follow a high-protein diet similar to the Zone diet--lots of red
meat, fruits and vegetables, high in saturated and monosaturated fat,
fourth, get the PC muscles extremely toned, very extremely toned,
using vaginal cone weights, and fifth, eat lots of dark chocolate.
 
I think bisexual women's groups would actually be a bit hostile to the
study, but I will give them a try anyhow.  The result of my approach
is to produce incredibly easy vaginal orgasms, and combined with the
high natural testosterone levels that the approach produces, makes a
woman--how do I put this?--almost excessively interested in a certain
part of the male anatomy.
 
Groups that are primarily feminist groups such as NOW have a large
contingent of militant lesbians--there is much controversy over women
trying to have vaginal orgasms at all, especially in the lesbian
community.  Also NOW is very strongly in favor of birth control pills.
 
The fourth suggestion isn't suitable at all--I'm not looking for
future customers, as I have nothing to sell--I'm trying to get a small
study, maybe thirty or forty women, completed by the end of this year.
 
I was hoping for women's groups more in line with the ones I had
already tried.  Also, as I said, being local to Boston is not
necessary; it would be a nice extra.  The other criteria hold much
more weight.
 
***************************

************more from customer*********
Or to put it more succinctly, let me revise my criteria: 
 
I am looking for a listing of more than ten groups of women  
a.) very very open to talking about personal sexual matters 
b.) distrustful of the medical establishment  
c.) of menstruating age  
d.) willing to take control of their own sexuality  
e.) heterosexual 
f.) willing to go on a high-protein diet 
 
Basically the women in the study would have to be willing to rate
their own increase in sexual response--desire, ease of orgasm, etc.  I
don't think that simply being a feminist guarantees a.)
 
Will be happy to increase my price, if necessary.
******************************

Thanks--sorry to take up so much of your time with my fuzzy question. 
I guess I'm so familiar with the topic that I don't mention some
things that seem obvious to me.  I'm out to change the world here (and
was almost on Oprah) but my idea is a very hard sell; it's extremely
difficult to convince women to try it.  I'm not sure why, maybe
because I don't have a white coat.

Hi zabeblue:

No problem at all. I, for one, don't judge someone's ideas by the
colour of their coat. ;-)

I wish you luck. 

websearcher-ga

Hi Zaneblue,

I'm not sure that you'll have luck with getting groups of women to try
your diet. The problem is that you are making some huge assumptions
that bias your thinking.

It is true that decreased libido is a side effect for some women who
take the pill or antidepressants, not all, but some. It is also true
that many women who report that they cannot climax are neither on the
pill nor on antidepressants. Many women who take the pill or
antidepressants have a very satisfying sex life.

In addition, the reason that women take the pill is that it is the
surest method of birth control. If you get a woman to follow your diet
and she stops taking the pill and becomes pregnant - are you able to
handle the legal ramifications? The same can be said for
antidepressants. You are urging women who have been prescribed a mood
enhancement drug to stop in order to enjoy sex. If someone listens to
you and follows your diet and commits suicide - you may be found
legally responsible for the results of her taking your advice.

Have you spoken to a lawyer about your diet and your web site? If you
haven't, I suggest that you do before you go forward with this.

Good luck,

bcguide-ga

bcguide-

I'm actually not making any assumptions at all.  I have very solid
science behind my ideas, so much so that large research institutions
are interested in conducting larger studies on them.  I simply need a
small initial study to prove my point.  I realize that my ideas are
dangerous, nevertheless they are true.

I am certainly aware that there are reasons women are on the Pill. 
However, there are many other forms of birth control with very high
rates of effectiveness.  Condoms have the additional benefit of
preventing the spread of disease.  I am also aware that there are
reasons women are on antidepressants.  Fish oil supplements may help
many women come off of antidepressants, there are multiple studies
supporting this fact.

If you posted this comment merely in the spirit of a friendly caution,
I assure you I already have a medical disclaimer on my website at
www.orgasmicdiet.com   I did not know that people would be consulting
this google answers website for general information purposes; I merely
summarized my program to help with my question, which seems to be a
bit of a hot potato.

bcguide-

If, on the other hand you are interested in debate, as for women on
birth control pills and antidepressants able to have satisfying sex
lives, that perhaps may be true.  Some women are naturally gifted with
very high sex drives and easy orgasmic ability, and the detrimental
effects of these drugs may not have such a tremendous impact on their
libido.  In countries where female circumcision is practiced, some
women are able to have satisfying sex lives also.  However, my program
gives a woman the ability to have easy vaginal orgasms, faster than a
man, simply from penetration or even just from flexing.  Not many
women have this ability currently; I believe that when women say that
their sex lives are satisfying it is simply because they have not
experienced their full potential.

I didn't see where you'd contacted Drs. Berman & Berman, so I thought
I'd mention them as a possible resource.
http://www.newshe.com

Good luck,
V

Thanks!  Actually that was the first place I went; I've been active on
their board for months.  I believe women there are more interested in
a doctor-prescribed approach.  Part of my push for this has been
witnessing the frustration there firsthand; women want to get
testosterone treatment and so forth, but in many areas it's extremely
difficult to find a doctor willing to prescribe them to women,
especially of child-bearing age.  My approach empowers a woman to help
herself, no doctor required.