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Subject: Electric shock
Category: Science
Asked by: rrv-ga
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Posted: 29 Jan 2003 20:12 PST
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Question ID: 155080
Me and my wife were at a friend's place yesterday. There, everytime my
wife handed over someting to someone or received something from
someone, both my wife and the other person, felt an electric shock.
When my wife merely touched someone or shook hands nothing happened -
only when there was an object (paper, telephone receiver, wooden
cup)which was being touched by my wife and someone else at the same
time did both experience this shock. My wife was wearing cotton
clothes and had a gold chain and nothing else on her person. This did
not happen outside that particular house nor has something like this
happened to my wife ever before. What could be the possible
explanation for this?
Answer  
Subject: Re: Electric shock
Answered By: pm3500-ga on 29 Jan 2003 21:32 PST
 
What a very interesting situation. I would say the basic cause of the
electric shocks was static electricity, combined the triboelectric
series of materials. Most people understand static electriciy, however
they are a bit behind on the TSM scales.

Basically Triboelectric Series is a hierarchically arranged list of
items that are filled with positive electrons (the stuff of static
electricity) and therefore give them off, or they are lacking positive
electrons and consistentlys eek to gain them.

The lists differ a bit according to which source you read, however,
most put human hands high on the +++++ electron list (meaning hands
have many electrons and seek to emit them.

The materials you spoke about, paper, telephone receiver, wooden cup,
are either low on the + list (paper) or on the negative list
(telephone receive is some type of plastic and the wooden cup).

What seems to have happened is that the hand with positive electrons,
passed them to the negative items, which built up a static charge and
was then discharged when the other hand touched it.

Why did not the two hands get shocked when they touched. Certainly you
can get a static electricity shock when shaking hands. So, there could
be a variety of explanations for the lack of a shock. Here are three:

1. The two people in question could have experienced a shock before
shaking hands and discharged the electrons. When they shook hands
there was then no impetus for a shock.

2. The TMS shows that two items on an equal level (hands for example)
have less probablility of exchanging electrons that two items situated
further away on the scale. So, it could be that circumstances meant
that there was not enough electrons present in the hands to produce
the shock.

3. It could be that one of the person's hands were very moist (not
conducive to static electric shock without a medium (such as the paper
etc.)

You asked why in this particular house. Again, without being there I
can only offer two possible explanations. Perhaps the house was
unusually dry, a precondition for static electricity. Or, there was
some type of electric conduction in the house (a new type of carpet or
something).

Additional Information

The Triboelectric Series of Materials Causing Static Electricity
http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/static_materials.htm

Triboelectric Series
http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/triboelectric_series.htm

STATIC ELECTRICITY" MISCONCEPTIONS 
http://www.amasci.com/emotor/stmiscon.html

Search Terms
Static electricity
triboelectric series
static electricity, triboelectric series
triboelectric series materials

Request for Answer Clarification by rrv-ga on 29 Jan 2003 22:05 PST
Thank-you very much pm3500-ga for explaining so elaborately and in
such simple terms, that even an ignorant person like me can also begin
to understand! If I am not intruding too much on your time can you
please clarify as to why something like this never happened before (
was the 'environment'/ that particular house, the only reason)/ why
did it have to happen only when one particular person (my wife) was
involved and is there any way to avoid/stop the same from happenning
again?

Clarification of Answer by pm3500-ga on 30 Jan 2003 07:54 PST
First, here's a clarification of the additional comments.

"How can we move electrons from one place to another? One very common
way is to rub two objects together. If they are made of different
materials, and are both insulators, electrons may be transferred (or
moved) from one to the other. The more rubbing, the more electrons
move, and the larger the charges built up. (Scientists believe that it
is not the rubbing or friction that causes electrons to move. It is
simply the contact between two different materials. Rubbing just
increases the contact area between them.)

"Static electricity is the imbalance of positive and negative
charges."

So, my apologies it's not "positive" electrons, its the transfer of
electrons between postive and negative charged objects.

An Introduction to Static Electricity
http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/static.html

Second, as to your clarifying question. Being a former science and
math teacher only grade school (not so advanced) I would say NOBODY is
ignorant, they are in the learning process:), myself included.

You ask, "can you please clarify as to why something like this never
happened before (was the 'environment'/ that particular house, the
only reason)/ why
did it have to happen only when one particular person (my wife) was
involved and is there any way to avoid/stop the same from happenning
again?"

The short answer is that is was undoubtly environmental, but I do not
know if it was the only reason. For example, your wife could have
picked up the propensity to get static electricity from the
environment (a particular type of carpet in the house) and the soles
of her shoes, or her stockings. It was not necessarily her cotton
clothes however, they could have helped. It also could have been the
type of moisturizer she used. There are a variety of possible
"combination" factors of the environment of that particular house at
that specific time and your wife's dress etc.

As to the question of how to stop it, here's the best reference I
found on the subject.

Controlling Static Electricity - Stop Getting Shocks
http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/staticcont.htm
Comments  
Subject: Re: Electric shock
From: xarqi-ga on 30 Jan 2003 02:01 PST
 
Not so fast!  "Positive electrons"???  Are you talking about positrons
here?  If so - sure sparks will fly according to e=mc^2, but I
strongly doubt if positrons are being generated.  As for the
triboelectric effect, this is a means of generating a static charge
through friction - actually, a separation of charges.

From the description given in the question, a static discharge is
almost certainly the cause, but the origin is a bit harder to guess. 
In situations of low humidity, it is possible to generate a strong
charge simply by walking across a carpet, the discharge often being to
the next conductive material touched - a door knob for example. 
Simply standing up from a cloth covered seat can be sufficient to
generate a charge if the person is wearing particular fabrics.

The situation described is somewhat mysterious in that the
interposition of a third object appeared to be necessary for the shock
to be felt.  I cannot explain this, and wonder if it may just have
been fortuitous circumstance.  However, I felt compelled to comment
since the notion of "positive electrons" is one that could not stand
unchallenged.
Subject: Re: Electric shock
From: probonopublico-ga on 30 Jan 2003 02:26 PST
 
Isn't 'positron' shorthand for 'positive electron'?
Subject: Re: Electric shock
From: probonopublico-ga on 30 Jan 2003 10:44 PST
 
Yes!

Positron = Positive Electron

Positron Decay. If the nucleus of an atom has too few neutrons it may
acquire another neutron by ejecting a positive electron or positron.
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