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Do I have a case?
Category: Relationships and Society > Law Asked by: kkrueger-ga List Price: $10.00 |
Posted:
05 Feb 2003 17:42 PST
Expires: 07 Mar 2003 17:42 PST Question ID: 157842 |
I bought a plane ticket for my brother to travel home for the holidays using one of those dot com companies that doesn't show you the airline or schedule until you pay for the ticket. Unfortunately, a week before Christmas, our grandfather died and we both had to purchase last minute plane tickets for an earlier date. After faxing the company a copy of the death certificate, they offered to "exchange" the ticket. Great, I thought, I will use the exchange to purchase a ticket for me to visit my brother in Korea. (He left for a tour of duty in Korea shortly after the new year). Unfortunately, when I went to perform the exchange, I could change everything BUT the traveler name. Since my brother moved to Korea shortly after Christmas, he has no way to use the "exchange" option they offered. I complained that what they were offering was a ticket CHANGE and not really an exchange. The company refuses to budge on the issue. I even offered to take a 50% refund instead of a full refund. The Better Business Bureau, credit card company, and airline have all declined to help me with this issue. My question: I know there are some legal whizes out there (you know who you are) so I want your opinion... do you think I have a case in small claims court? While I fully understand the company's no refund, no change policy, I assert that when they agreed both verbally and via e-mail to exchange the ticket they entered into a new contract. I think a reasonable person would expect an exchange to include a change of the name on the ticket in addition to origin, destination, and travel dates. They failed to disclose what they meant by "exchange". In principle, I think that I am in the right, considering a death in the family and the fact that my brother is serving our country overseas. It upsets me that this company will not consider the human factors at all. However, I know that emotions and principles do not win court cases so I would like an unbiased opinion. Of course, I know that any answer I receive would be an opinion and would not be upset if someone recommends that I have a case and then I end up losing. I'm not asking if I would win a case, but do I have a chance of winning? $545 is a little bit much to just walk away from. |
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Re: Do I have a case?
Answered By: missy-ga on 05 Feb 2003 19:43 PST Rated: |
Hi there, I'm very sorry you've gotten snarled in the nightmare that is air travel. I'm also sorry to say that, while it's *possible* you might prevail in a small claims case, you most likely will not. Although the company made a "hardship exception" (also called a "sympathy fare") for your travel plans when your grandfather died, this in no way obligates them to change anything else for you. In fact, it is typically spelled out that by using their service, you agree to *all* of their terms and conditions, as well as restrictions on any tickets you purchase. Hardship exceptions are provided as a courtesy, and do not invalidate the rest of the contract, which you explicitly agreed to when you used the service (as an example, Priceline.com asks you to initial a box stating that you agree to all terms and conditions). Since you don't name the company you used, I cannot investigate specifics for you, so I'll be using Priceline.com as a primary example. Priceline.com is very clear about their policy: "If we find tickets at your price, we immediately purchase those tickets and charge your credit card. Because you get to name your own price, tickets purchased through priceline cannot be changed, transferred or cancelled." Priceline.com - Airfare http://www.priceline.com/customerservice/faq/HowItWorks/air.asp "Can I change the name on my ticket? Priceline tickets are non-cancelable, non-refundable and non-transferable. Tickets may not be transferred to another individual. The name entered in the passenger name field when you make your request is the name that will appear in the airline's reservation system or on your paper ticket(s)." [ Choose "Help", then airline tickets, then search on "transfer" ] This same policy holds true with DiscountFlights.com: "5. Can I transfer a ticket to someone else? No, all tickets are non-transferable. If one person cannot go and another person wants to travel, airlines consider this as a cancellation of one person and a new booking for another person." DiscountFlights FAQ http://etntelephone.com/faq/discountflights/8.html#6 From the Air Traveler's FAQ, Refunds section: "Airlines do not allow name changes on reservations and tickets, to prevent travel agents from buying up cheap fares with dummy names in anticipation of selling them to real people later." [1-15] Refunds http://www.faqs.org/faqs/travel/air/handbook/part1/section-18.html From CheapFares.com: "If you disagree with any of the following Terms & Conditions, please do not use this site. PLEASE READ THOROUGHLY. AIRFARE TO ANYWHERE TICKETING: * All tickets are non-refundable, non-returnable, non-transferable and no upgrades are available. Because Cheapfares.com offers heavily discounted fares, no vouchers, discount certificates or ticket exchanges may be applied. Frequent flyer miles are accruable for most airlines." Terms And Conditions http://www.cheapfares.com/90000.html CNN's Travel Guide Essentials confirms that non-refundable tickets are non-transferable: "In addition, non-refundable tickets are non-transferable, which means new tickets must be issued in the same name as that which appears on the canceled ticket." The ins and outs of non-refundable airline tickets http://www.cnn.com/TRAVEL/ESSENTIALS/ADVISOR/9810/ticket.refunds/ You might, depending on the airline your tickets are with, be able to obtain a full refund for your brother. According to Priceline.com's Terms and Conditions: "Ticket Restrictions Airline tickets available through this Site are subject to the published conditions of carriage and rules of the applicable airline." Priceline.com Terms & Conditions http://www.priceline.com/travel/airlines/lang/en-us/infoctr/termsnconditions.asp Some airlines are waiving ticket change fees for military personnel, and others will refund the tickets entirely. *This is not mandatory.* It is solely at the discretion of the airline: "01/10/03 - WASHINGTON (AFPN) -- Some U.S. airlines are adjusting their rules so service members will not have to pay penalties if they need to alter ticket reservations because of military duty. AirTran Airways, Delta Airlines and Hawaiian Airlines now waive ticket-change fees for servicemembers on military deployment orders, while ticketing changes on Southwest Airlines are already free, according to Jean Marie Ward of the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for personnel and readiness. Ward said particulars of these carriers' programs can be viewed at the Defense Department's military assistance program Web site. Information from more airlines is expected to be added soon, she said. According to General Service Administration officials, a number of other airlines will waive ticket-change penalties if servicemembers present copies of their military orders or a letter from their commanders, Ward said. The waiver procedures are official company policy for some carriers, she said, but not all reservation or check-in people may know that. She suggested travelers call their airline for waiver information before going to the airport." Some airlines waive ticket-exchange fees http://www.af.mil/news/Jan2003/11003621print.shtml "The current pace of military operations has resulted in short-fuse changes in orders and deployments for many military personnel. Adjusting personal travel arrangements to accommodate new orders can be complex and time-consuming, but it doesn't need to cost the service member. Many airlines will waive the penalties associated with reservation changes made in response to military requirements. Most, however, ask for a hard copy document or printed email to verify that the changes are made in response to military requirements." Airline Ticket Changes http://dod.mil/mapcentral/airtickets.html Do give the airline a call. That's going to be your best chance to receive a refund. I'm sorry I couldn't provide a brighter outlook for you. I don't like the way the airlines work, either. I wish you luck! --Missy Search terms: [ non-transferrable tickets ], [ airline "change name" ticket ], [ "sympathy fare" ], [ "military orders" airline ], [ "transfer tickets" ]...and digging around for Priceline's TAC. | |
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Re: Do I have a case?
From: lstein0-ga on 05 Feb 2003 22:36 PST |
My sister had purchased 2 tickets on Priceline to come visit me a while back. A few weeks before the trip, her boyfriend's mother was diagnosed with cancer. She cancelled her trip. Priceline was quite accommodating in the sense that they 'listened' to her situation and allowed her to find a way out of it. She got a note from the Doctor stating the the cancer was not diagnosed until after the tickets were purchased, and also stated the depth of the illness. As this is somewhat of a crass note to have to get from the Doctor, she nonetheless did it, and received a refund from Priceline. I would call Priceline again, speak with a supervisor and work the empathy angle. Remember that any other phone calls you have made regarding this ticket will be noted on the transaction, so the supervisor will read that before speaking with you. With regards to changing names on airline tickets, it is incredibly hard to do. This came into play in late 1994 after the World Trade Center bombing trial was over. This is also when they started requiring positive ID upon flying. Anyway, while it is incredible difficult, it is not illegal as some people will tell you. Before you call a Priceline supervisor, call the United and ask them what it takes to get a passenger name changed on an airline ticket. Tell them that you have a ticket in your brothers name, and that he is now on a tour in Korea (Camp Red Cloud, by any chance?). Say that he will be there for a year and won't be able to use this ticket, and that you'd like to get the ticket changed into your name. Maybe they can do this and then just charge a 'change fee'. If this doesn't work out, then call the Priceline supervisor. And if that doesn't work, write them a letter. I find that people are much more receptive to things in print than to telephone calls, when dealing with complaints. Here is the key: Don't just complain. Explain what happened, and tell them what you expect to resolve the situation. If they have to come up with something themselves, they often won't. And if they do, it might not satisfy you. Tell them what you want, and then they can hand it off to someone in operations with the note of "do as she wants". I hope this helps. And I hope you get this resolved. |
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Re: Do I have a case?
From: jonmm-ga on 06 Feb 2003 07:07 PST |
I once used Priceline for an air ticket and was very unhappy with the results. I was flying from Philadelphia to Miami and they routed me through Cincinnati with something like a 6 hour layover. I immediately called and demanded to cancel the ticket. The first person could not help me, but I eventually found someone who after much arguing agreed to a refund. They refunded all but a $10 cancellation fee. I disputed that fee and they would not budge. Then I disputed the fee with my credit card provider and after 2 letters it was removed. The secret is (and they try not to tell you about it) is that Priceline has a department named something like "Dispute Resolutions." This department has the authority to offer refunds even though they claim to have a no refund policy. However, they won't tell you about this. One of the reps slipped and referred to the department by name, but then later denied it. Keep fighting - I got a full refund for less of a reason than you. It just takes some persistence. |
Subject:
Re: Do I have a case?
From: kkrueger-ga on 06 Feb 2003 08:38 PST |
Thank you for your comments everyone. Believe me, I have tried very hard to get this resolved. I've spoken to two supervisors in customer service. I've strongly appealed based on the circumstances that my family experienced. Customer Service said they had no power to issue a refund, and any further concerns would have to be expressed in writing. So then I sent an e-mail to their executive offices. The response was a form letter from Mr. Doug Reckers (I gather his job is to get rid of upset customers) saying they don't offer refunds. In turn, I wrote a letter to Lisa Gellingham, the VP of Customer Service. The response was a voice mail from Mr. Reckers, stating that he would talk to me but he stated in the voice mail they still could not offer a refund. I wrote another letter in response saying that I would not speak with him any further until he was ready to address my concerns. In response I received another voice mail from Mr. Reckers stating he was ready to address my concerns. I called him and he listened patiently, albeit somewhat distractedly as I told him about the extenuating circumstances and complained about their misleading "exchange" offer. I point blank asked, "What is priceline.com willing to do considering my circumstances?" His response was that they could do nothing. I even offered to accept a 50% refund. So that's where I'm at today. Last night I drafted a letter to the CEO. I'm considering revising it, though, as it was a little bit on the angry side. I probably don't need to point out to the CEO that the company forgave a $2.1 million loan to him but they can't issue me a $545 refund. The interesting thing is that their SEC filings state that they maintain a reserve fund for refunds. When I asked about this, Mr. Reckers stated that this reserve fund is used for refunds in other circumstances, not distressed families. I truly do understand a non-refundable policy, and if my brother had simply decided not to use the ticket for no particular reason I wouldn't be pushing for a refund. Words cannot express how sad and disappointed I am by this company's behavior. Everyone I have spoken to in the company is obviously very well programmed to listen patiently and at the same time offer nothing in return. Thanks for letting me vent everyone. :-) |
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Re: Do I have a case?
From: pocoloco-ga on 07 Feb 2003 21:47 PST |
On a mildly humorous note - I once purchased a ticket for a 13-year old whose last name was "Child." Somehow, she was ticketed her as being a child, meaning that they did not reserve a seat for her, but expected her to be able to sit on my lap. Since the tickets were to be picked up at check-in, I did not discover the problem till then. The flight was fully booked, the last flight of the night, and I was traveling with my own four year old and someone else's 13 year old. They kept insisting it was my fault, and that I was trying to change the name on the ticket. It was not actually very funny at the time. |
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