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Subject: Taiwan vendor ripoff
Category: Business and Money > Finance
Asked by: swisscheese-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 11 Feb 2003 12:15 PST
Expires: 13 Mar 2003 12:15 PST
Question ID: 160095
We ordered a special kind of spring from a vendor in Taiwan. After
several attempts to make the item over five months it became clear
they were not qualified to make the item. Unfortunately, we advanced
the vendor about $1,000. Now they don't return emails. Should we chalk
this up to a lesson or is there a chance of collecting. If yes, what
is the best approach. Emails to the chamber of commerce go unanswered.

Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 11 Feb 2003 14:48 PST
If you'd like to divulge the name and contact information for this
company perhaps we can offer some advice. Be sure to include physical
address and names of any business contacts you may have made.

Regards;
tutuzdad-ga

Clarification of Question by swisscheese-ga on 11 Feb 2003 16:08 PST
Hi tutuzdad - Here is the info - swisscheese

Ta Ming Electronic Springs Co., Ltd.
Attn: Thomas Lin
No. 92-1, Sec 2nd, Chuang-Hwa Rd. Tu-Cheng, Taipei
Taiwan, R.O.C.
Tel: 886-2-22695188; Fax: 886-2-22695189
email: thomas@tamingelectronics.com
web: www.tamingelectronics.com
Answer  
Subject: Re: Taiwan vendor ripoff
Answered By: tutuzdad-ga on 11 Feb 2003 18:43 PST
Rated:4 out of 5 stars
 
Dear swisscheese-ga;

Thank you for allowing me an opportunity to answer your interesting
question.

I was prepared to tell you about how you should start sending a
registered letters to the company’s President voicing your complaint
complete with copies of your invoice, emails, payment, etc.,
tactfully, but progressively making reasonable legal threats in the
hope that the company would comply. Unfortunately there’s not much
available information about the Ta Ming Electronic Springs Company or
its leadership. I did find this alternative address, however, which is
the one registered to their web site:

NO.92-1,SEC.2, JUNGHUARD.,TUCHENGCITY,TAIPEI, TAIWAN

Since that appears to be of little use, assuming you are in the US, we
can move on to step two. If you have exhausted all your options up to
this point, the next step is to contact your state’s Attorney General.
You can find contact information for your state here:

“Education Gateway”
http://conner.hypermart.net/parents/business/attorney_generals.html

In addition, you can either seek additional information from these
entities or, in some cases, file formal complaints. Each entity
handles this situation differently so you’ll have to ask them what you
should expect from their involvement in your situation:

“Federal Trade Commission”
http://www.ftc.gov/

FTC Consumer Complaint Form”
https://rn.ftc.gov/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01

“National Fraud Information Center”
http://www.fraud.org/welcome.htm
“…get advice by calling toll-free, 800-876-7060 (from outside the
U.S., Canada, or Puerto Rice, dial 1-202-331-8590) Monday-Friday, 9
a.m.-5 p.m. Eastern Time.  Report Telemarketing and Internet Fraud by
using the online complaint form or the call center.”

There are many others. Be sure to avoid any of these that require any
kind of payment. Yes, unfortunately there are some unscrupulous people
posing as consumer protection organizations too. Filing this type of
complaint is within your right as a consumer and is normally free.

http://directory.google.com/Top/Home/Consumer_Information/Complaints/

http://directory.google.com/Top/Home/Consumer_Information/Advocacy_and_Protection/?tc=1


While it can be difficult to recoup losses due to fraud from foreign
businesses, it is not always impossible. Some stricter societies frown
deeply on dishonest business practices, particularly when it presents
a possibility such activity might project dishonor on the local
government as a whole.

In the meantime, here is an interesting article that might give you
some insight into how complex the problem is and how some have dealt
with it:

"Consumer Protection in the Age of Borderless Markets and the
Information Revolution"
http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/starek/ausp.htm

I believe these informative links will get you started. I am sorry
that I could not provide a more definitive answer for you but I
suspect you already knew that ahead of time and were simply at a loss
altogether regarding how to start the ball rolling.

Below you will find that I have carefully defined my search strategy
for you in the event that you need to search for more information. By
following the same type of searches that I did you may be able to
enhance the research I have provided even further. I hope you find
that that my research exceeds your expectations. If you have any
questions about my research please post a clarification request prior
to rating the answer. Otherwise, I welcome your rating and your final
comments and I look forward to working with you again in the near
future. Thank you for bringing your question to us.

Best regards;
Tutuzdad-ga


INFORMATION SOURCES

“Education Gateway”
http://conner.hypermart.net/parents/business/attorney_generals.html


“Federal Trade Commission”
http://www.ftc.gov/


FTC Consumer Complaint Form”
https://rn.ftc.gov/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01


“National Fraud Information Center”
http://www.fraud.org/welcome.htm


GOOGLE
http://directory.google.com/Top/Home/Consumer_Information/Complaints/

http://directory.google.com/Top/Home/Consumer_Information/Advocacy_and_Protection/?tc=1


"Consumer Protection in the Age of Borderless Markets and the
Information Revolution"
http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/starek/ausp.htm


SEARCH STRATEGY


SEARCH ENGINE USED:

Google ://www.google.com


SEARCH TERMS USED:


CONSUMER PROTECTION

INTERNATIONAL TRADE FRAUD

INTERNATIONAL TRADE COMPLAINT

INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS FRAUD

INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS COMPLAINT

BUSINESS COMPLAINT TAIWAN

FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION

Request for Answer Clarification by swisscheese-ga on 12 Feb 2003 06:40 PST
Hi Tutuzdad

Thanks for your reply. I appreciate the quantity of info you provided.
But the links are generally domestic agencies and I find it hard to
believe anything would come of such leads other than a lot of wasted
time. I would think we need some agency that has some concern about
trade between Taiwan and the USA. If you were in my shoes would you
really spend all the time following all the links you provided? I was
hoping for a reply based on some experience or at least an approach
that has the appearance of a chance of succeeding.

Regards, swisscheese

Clarification of Answer by tutuzdad-ga on 12 Feb 2003 08:46 PST
Dear swisscheese-ga;

You asked, “If you were in my shoes would you really spend all the
time following all the links you provided?” My answer: If I were you
and wanted my money back badly enough, I would, without a doubt, do
whatever I had to do, even if it involved contacting a dozen agencies.

In response to your original question, “Should we chalk this up to a
lesson or is there a chance of collecting?” It is only logical to
assume that by posting your question here you were willing to take
whatever steps were necessary, however many steps that may be, to seek
recovery, if recovery is possible. While most of the agencies I
mentioned in my response are indeed domestic, their purpose is to
document and in some cases investigate or assist in the resolution of
your complaint. As disappointing as it may be, there is no specific
Taiwanese hotline that you can call where the authorities will force a
business to comply based on your phone call alone. Certain protocol
should be followed indicative of your intent to pursue this matter to
the fullest extent of the law if required. This includes, at a
minimum, seeking first hand information from domestic governmental or
commercial agencies on how to proceed. If are no simple options, you
will be advised of how the formal complaint process works, how long it
takes, what to reasonably expect and what the historical success rate
has been in similar cases in the past. One must keep in mind that many
investigative agencies share responsibilities and work in harmony with
other agencies. Although I previously provided you with a number of
options, it isn’t imperative that you contact each and every one of
them in order to get satisfactory results.

As it turns out, I continued to search even after posting my response.
Fortunately I have some new information that you may find useful:

INTERNET FRAUD COMPLAINT CENTER
http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/cf1.asp
This is a sub-entity of the FBI, which is, as you may already be
aware, a much farther-reaching authority than it once was and whose
interests now extend well beyond domestic jurisdictions alone. Since
your initial discovery of “Ta Ming” occurred on the Internet and the
information that they published on the Internet is what eventually led
you to contact them, any fraudulent business practices that may have
occurred can be addressed by this agency. For your convenience you can
file a complaint via their web site or you can find contact
information on this site if you’d prefer to do file your complain
using other means.

OFFICE OF CONSUMER LITIGATION
http://www.usdoj.gov/civil/ocl/con_info.htm
This is a sub-entity of the US Department of Justice, a federal agency
whose authority and capabilities are obviously known worldwide. This
office provides resources for people, like yourself, who needs
professional, first-hand advice from someone who “knows the ropes”,
specifically, in your case perhaps, with businesses in Taiwan. Some of
these agencies have toll free numbers, web sites and online complaint
forms for your convenience. As the resolution of your problem requires
a somewhat bureaucratic process, becoming informed is the first step.
This is a good starting point to take that step.

Again, as mentioned in my initial response, the FTC is also a very
HIGHLY RECOMMENDED place to start. Do not assume that since it is a
domestic agency that its powers or information do not extend beyond
our borders. On their web site is this statement:

"The FTC provides a clearinghouse for consumers," said J. Howard
Beales III, Director of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection. "We
are the portal through which consumers can enter complaints and
receive assistance and guidance."

Beales goes on to talk about how these agencies work in tandem (as I
mentioned above) allowing you to use many of them as a single means of
filing a complaint rather than contacting several agencies, at the
expense of both your time and money:

“Forty percent of the complaints in the Sentinel database come through
data contributors like the Social Security Administration's Office of
Inspector General, the Internet Fraud Complaint Center, the National
Consumers League's National Fraud Information Center, and many, many
Better Business Bureaus around the country..”

FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2003/01/top10.htm

So, as you can clearly see, these agencies all recommend that you come
to them with your initial complaint, as there is a carefully
organized, concerted effort to investigate them.

Regards;
Tutuzdad-ga
swisscheese-ga rated this answer:4 out of 5 stars
"A" for effort but I'm not convinced the solutions would be cost/time effective.

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