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Subject: Early American Genealogy
Category: Family and Home > Relationships
Asked by: imagexideas-ga
List Price: $40.00
Posted: 12 Feb 2003 09:43 PST
Expires: 14 Mar 2003 09:43 PST
Question ID: 160498
The following information was copied from a volume in the library of
the Cumberland County Historical Society in Carlisle, PA.
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1818 Sep 3
from First Evangelical Lutheran Church, Carlisle, Cumberland County,
PA
Parish Registers, 1788-1923, Vol. 1 Baptisms and Marriages, page 207
George Kinsinger m Rebecca Brindel    Sept. 3, 1818
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After their marriage George and Rebecca owned and sold property in the
Cumberland County area, moved to Champaign and Logan Counties in Ohio
about 1846, owned several farms in that area and died there on 23 Oct
1855 (George) and 5 April 1867 (Rebecca).
After their marriage George and Rebecca had 3 sons and 3 daughters who
also moved to Ohio.  In his will, George leaves his three farms to his
three sons (William, George and Samuel), and mentions a David
Kinsinger to whom he leaves $25.  David and his wife are buried next
to George and Rebecca in an Ohio cemetery, while the three “sons” are
buried elsewhere.  David’s date and age of death on his tombstone
indicates a birth in January 1810, when Rebecca would have been about
21 and George about 14.  The first direct record of David is his
marriage as follows:
1835 Feb 18, Wed.
Carlisle Herald, Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA
Married on the 29th ultimate by the Rev. D.P. Rosenmiller Mr. David
Kinsinger, to Miss Mary Ann Craigloe, both of Dickinson Township
[David P. Rosenmiller listed as Pastor of Zion’s Lutheran Church,
Newville, PA from 1832 – 1840]
I would like any records confirming David’s date and place of birth,
his parentage, or his “adoption” into the household of George
Kinsinger and Rebecca Brindel Kinsinger.
(A related question about Rebecca Brindel is being posted at the same
time)

Request for Question Clarification by scriptor-ga on 12 Feb 2003 15:46 PST
Dear imagexideas,

Since the amount of information I was able to locate after hours of
research is indeed meager, I do not dare posting it as an answer. But
nevertheless I thought that you should know what I found out.

First, I found something about David and Mary Kinsinger's gravesite on
this website:

Genealogy in Logan County, Ohio: Cemeteries Pleasant Township--Huber
Cemetery Inscriptions
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohlogan/cemplhu.html

It contains this:

"Kinsinger, David, d 25 Apr 1890, ae 80y 3m 6d (husband of Mary A.
Kinsinger; parent)
Kinsinger, George, d 23 Oct 1855, ae 62y 2m 3d (father; on monument
with Rebecca Kinsinger)
Kinsinger, Mary A., d 8 Mar 1869, ae 52y 10m 21d (wife of David
Kinsinger; parent)
Kinsinger, Rebecca, d 5 Apr 1867, ae 77y 7m 9d (mother; on monument
with George Kinsinger)"

So David Kinsinger was, according to his tombstone inscription, born
19 January 1810. But I doubt that this information is very reliable,
becaus I also found something else by searching the online genealogy
database, FamilySearch (
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp ) for a
David Kinsinger.
I found one, and I am very convinced it is the one you are interested
in. Here is his entry from the 1880 Census:

David KINSINGER
Male
Birth Year: <1811>  
Birthplace: FARMER  
Age: 69
Occupation: (n/a)
Marital Status: W <Widowed>  
Race: W <White>  
Head of Household: George KINSINGER 
Relation: Father (of household head)
Father's Birthplace: PA  
Mother's Birthplace: PA 
Census Place: Adams, Champaign, Ohio 

The place, Champaign County, fits with what we know about the
whereabouts of the Kinsinger family in question. The age, however,
fits only approximately. But then, it seems that David Kinsinger did
not know himself where exactly he was born. The birthplace "Farmer"
seems to indicate that his parents were mobile farm hands in
Pennsylvania. So if David Kinsinger did not know about his place of
birth, it is also possible that he also had no exact date of birth.

The fact that this David Kinsinger originally came from Pennsylvania
and that he was a widower in 1880 also fits with the person you have
in mind.

Unfortunately, this does not tell us anything about the circumstances
under which he became part of the Kinsinger family. I am sorry that
this is all I found.

Best regards,
Scriptor

Request for Question Clarification by scriptor-ga on 14 Feb 2003 09:35 PST
Dear imagexideas,

Is it possible that Rebecca Brindel was married once already before
she became the wife of George Kinsinger? And that David was a son from
her first marriage? It seems quite fitting: Rebecca was a couple of
years older than George. It was, as far as I know, rather uncommon in
the early 19th century to marry an older woman. But in case she was a
widow in 1818, with the possessions inherited from her first husband,
it appears more likely.
David was born in 1810 or 1811, when Rebecca was ca. 21 years old. He
might well be her son. And when his widowed mother later married
again, her new husband adopted seven-year-old David. Thus he was a
member of the family, but not on the same level as the children George
had with Rebecca: That might be the reason why George was a bit less
generous with David in his testament.
If this theory is right, it would also mean that Rebecca was not born
a Brindel. One would have to search for a male Pennsylvania Brindel
who married a Rebecca between about 1806 and 1810/11.
Does anything in the family history explicitly speak against this
theory?

Regards,
Scriptor

Clarification of Question by imagexideas-ga on 15 Feb 2003 15:44 PST
First, if you haven’t already, please see my comments to the answer
tutuzdad-ga gave to my related question 160497.  The David you found
in the 1880 census is indeed the man whose origins I seek, and you
will find in my comments more about his relationship with George and
Rebecca, notably my reasons for believing he was not blood related to
George Kinsinger.

Your theory that David was Rebecca’s son by an earlier marriage is my
second favorite theory.  I have no data that contradicts it.  But
neither do I have any corroboration.  In essence, that sort of
evidence is what this Google question seeks.

My favorite theory is that David is Rebecca’s child out of wedlock,
and that Rebecca was born a Brindel.  My only reasons for preferring
this version to the first are: (1) I have not (yet) been able to find
any evidence of a marriage of an X Brindel to Rebecca X in the
appropriate time period, (2) it seems more likely that David would
adopt the Kinsinger name if he were a bastard than if he had a
legitimate father, and (3) there is census data for a Marks Brindel in
the Cumberland County, PA area that shows a girl of Rebecca’s age
living in his household in 1800 and 1810.
1800: PA, Franklin Co, Peters Twp    Brindle, Mark
     1 male 26-45   (Marks)
     1 female 16-25    (older daughter ?)
     1 female 10-15    (Rebecca ?)
     1 male <10    (son ?)
1810: PA, Cumberland Co, Allen Twp    Brindle, Marks
     1 male >45   (Marks)
     1 female >45   (second wife ?)
     2 females 26-45   (older daughter and daughter of second wife ?)
     1 female   16-25   (Rebecca ?)
     2 males 10-15   (son and son of second wife)
     3 males <10   (Marks was busy with second wife ?)
I tentatively identify this Marks Brindle as Johann Marx Brindle, born
31 Jan 1755 in Lancaster County, PA and died 31 Aug 1829 in Cumberland
County, PA.  He was the 11th child of Johann Marx Brendel and
Elizabeth Wolff.  See the Brindel family tree at
http://www.steveleslie.net/brindle.html
The identification of Rebecca in these census tallies is speculative,
but if it is correct she was living with her father at the time of
David’s conception.

Examples of the answers this question seeks are:
   a record of Rebecca’s birth or baptism (according to her tombstone
about 27 August 1789)
   a record of Rebecca’s earlier marriage
   a record of David’s birth or baptism
   a record of David’s adoption
   a record of a man’s death leaving Rebecca as a widow (perhaps with
child)
   a will executed after that death
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