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Subject:
Adjusting for AC current frequency 50Hz European vs. 60Hz U.S. in appliances.
Category: Science > Technology Asked by: smorrison98-ga List Price: $25.00 |
Posted:
13 May 2002 16:32 PDT
Expires: 20 May 2002 16:32 PDT Question ID: 16052 |
I have located a microwave oven that is perfect in design and features for my particular application. The only problem is that it's a European model. Assuming I obtain the correct transformer to transform the voltage down to 110/115, will the difference in cycle frequency (50Hz Euro vs. 60Hz US) be a problem? I know that, for example, with electric clocks, this difference causes the clock to run slow or fast, depending. Would the performance of a microwave oven be seriously affected? If so, is there any device which adjusts cycle frequency in the same way that a transformer steps up or down voltage? |
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Re: Adjusting for AC current frequency 50Hz European vs. 60Hz U.S. in appliances
Answered By: juggler-ga on 13 May 2002 17:13 PDT Rated: ![]() |
Sellers of transformers specifically mention microwave ovens as a type of appliance that COULD be affected by the difference in cycles (60Hz North America vs. 50Hz foreign). See these links: http://www.teleadaptusa.com/nme/order_hdulstepuptrans.htm http://www.voltagevalet.com/converters.html#info http://www.walkabouttravelgear.com/elect.htm One page briefly discusses the opposite situation of using a 60hz North American appliance at 50hz. It mentions that such use won't damage the appliance because motors would simply run at a slower speed. Whether cycling at a faster speed would damage the appliance is not addressed, but certainly seems plausible. http://www.harrisonluggage.com/converters.htm As to the second part of your question, here's a forum where folks are discussing converting 60hz to 50hz to use a European washer/dryer in the United States. The consenus seems to be that such a set-up is possible by various methods such as converting the AC @ 60hz to DC then back to AC @ 50hz. The various methods do not seem particularly economical, however. http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/wiring/msg0301401319847.html Search terms used: 50hz 60hz european u.s. microwave ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=googlet&q=50hz+60hz+european+u.s.+microwave&btnG=Google+Search Additional search terms used: 50hz 60hz european appliances transformer ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=googlet&q=50hz+60hz+european+appliances+transformer&btnG=Google+Search I hope this helps. Good luck. |
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rated this answer:![]() Perfect info. Also, would like to add that the comment I received has very good additional info as well. |
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Re: Adjusting for AC current frequency 50Hz European vs. 60Hz U.S. in appliances.
From: brad-ga on 13 May 2002 17:38 PDT |
A friendly site addressing this problem is at http://www.kropla.com/electric.htm. Also, International Electricity issues are clarified in reasonable English at http://www.epanorama.net/links/wire_mains.html. The advice that is most useful comes from sellers of transformers who say: *** European televisions will not receive broadcasts in North America may not operate on the 60Hz. (cycle) power systems found in the USA. If your television operates on 50/60 Hertz, it can be used with a European VCR or DVD to play European tapes and disks. ***Important Information: Transformers do not convert cycles (60Hz North America vs. 50Hz foreign), and some appliances may not operate normally when used overseas. These include, but are not limited to: microwave ovens, analog clocks, motorized electric typewriters, televisions and turntables. Consult the appliance manufacturer if you have any questions. THIS LAST SENTENCE IS OF GREAT VALUE IN PROTECTING YOUR APPLIANCES...CHECK WITH THE DEALER. AND LOOK AT THE LABEL ON THAT MICROWAVE...IT MAY HAVE A DESCRIPTION THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS: "INPUT: AC 100V- 240V~ 1.0A 50 / 60 Hz" WHICH INDICATES THAT THE APPLIANCE CAN HANDLE 50 OR 60 CYCLES. http://www.teleadaptusa.com/nme/order_hdstepupungrnd.htm |
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Re: Adjusting for AC current frequency 50Hz European vs. 60Hz U.S. in appliances.
From: kjack-ga on 24 Jun 2002 12:17 PDT |
One important point not covered here is the power requirements (in watts) for microwave ovens. They produce in terms of cooking ( radio frequency energy) anything from 400-1000watts. In turn this amount of power plus its coversion factor from mains power to RF power has to be supplied by the transformer. A transformer that can supply 400 watts is large but one for 1000 watts will be very large, both physical and electrical! The problem here is as the transformer gets larger the in-rush current as you plug it in also gets larger as well and that is enough is some cases to pop the breaker on the mains circuit. More than that these transformers consumer electrical power just doing nothing due to internal losses so watch the elctricity bill. Always disconnect the power form the transformer when not in use and be sure to check the rating of the outlet you are plughging it into. If the oven draws 4 amps on 240volts AC it will draw 8+ amps on 110v AC plus the transformer losses. You can buy transformers for this job at www.jameco.com As a European who moved to the USA with all my appliances I have tried every configuration of getting things to work! Good news is 95% of things I brought now work. The bad news in the cost of transformers and rewiring of the house to get a 240v feed( dryer/oven type two phase 110v feeds) where I needed it. All the things that don't work were all 50/60hz critical items including the Microwave oven. The microwave tube in the oven pulses the RF power to cook in time with the 50Hz main feed in my model and it tripped out on 60hz. |
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Re: Adjusting for AC current frequency 50Hz European vs. 60Hz U.S. in appliances.
From: pfperry-ga on 29 Jun 2002 09:06 PDT |
most of the weight in a microwave oven is the transformer. Even if the frequency difference is not a problem (and it might be), the external conversion transformer will weigh nearly as much, and cost at least $US 100, so I don't think it is really feasible. |
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Re: Adjusting for AC current frequency 50Hz European vs. 60Hz U.S. in appliances.
From: black_shadow-ga on 02 Jul 2002 05:17 PDT |
Depending on the economics of the situation, one solution would be to use an invertor system similat to those used on boats to convert 12v to 240v AC. Basically they consist of a 12v motor driving a 240v generator. Solution - get a suitable 120V60hz motor to drive a 240v50hz generator. |
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