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Subject: google listing and then disapperance
Category: Computers > Internet
Asked by: nyswonger-ga
List Price: $25.00
Posted: 13 Feb 2003 11:19 PST
Expires: 15 Mar 2003 11:19 PST
Question ID: 160974
my site leopoldscopes.com came up great on google on mon.2-10-03. on
tuesday it was gone and a message when the url is typed in says it
doesn't exist. i aslo showed up on yahoo and oal and then was gone on
tuesday. what happened the way i showed up was by simple searching
for"leopold scopes". what happened? oh the same thing happend on dmoz.
i am still running fine on inktomi.

Request for Question Clarification by robertskelton-ga on 13 Feb 2003 13:11 PST
Had the site previously appeared in Google search results, or was this
the first time?

Clarification of Question by nyswonger-ga on 13 Feb 2003 13:26 PST
YES THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME AND I GOT ABOUT 40 HITS THAT ONE DAY. IT
IT IS ALSO WEIRD THAT I NOW ONLY SHOW UP IN YAHOO WHEN YOU CLICK ON
DIRECTORY BUT NO LONGER IN THE GERNERAL SEARCH. THANKS FOR YOUR QUICK
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Subject: Re: google listing and then disapperance
Answered By: robertskelton-ga on 13 Feb 2003 21:55 PST
 
Hi there,


There was a time when you just submitted your website's URL, waited a
month or two, it appeared and that was that. These days the process
can be more complicated, especially when it comes to Google.
  
Freshbot  
--------  
  
When you submit your URL to Google, some time in the next month or so
the Googlebot will pay your site a visit and index most or all of it.
When the entire main index is refreshed (usually at the end of each
month) your site should appear and stay there. Sometimes you have to
wait until the following main index refresh for it to appear.
  
Google also has Freshbot - it looks for web sites which typically have
constantly changing content, and re-indexes them every day or two. If
you see any Google search results with a date beside them, that is
when Freshbot last visited them. Sometimes Freshbot will
unintentionally find other sites...
  
It appears that leopoldscopes.com was found by the FreshBot, and is
unlikely to appear in Google search results (or AOL or Yahoo - they
use Google) again until the end of the month. One of the most common
queries I receive here (and elsewhere) is why does my site disappear,
then reappear, then disappear? The following comes from GoogleGuy, a
Google search engineer who often answers queries posted at
WebMasterWorld:
  
GoogleGuy: Everflux and Fresh Crawls  
------------------------------------  
  
If your site is new, or hasn't shown up in google for long, it may
because our "fresh crawl" (which runs each day) was finding your site
instead of our main crawl (which runs about once a month). Our "fresh
crawl" is a newer feature, and we're still experimenting with which
pages to crawl, how deeply to crawl, etc. We even reserve the right to
(gasp!) not do a fresh crawl on some days because we're doing tests or
reviewing new code. Someone wrote in recently and said "my site got in
google three weeks ago, and you've dropped me four times!"  Nope, it's
just that we don't always crawl the same pages in our fresh crawl, and
we don't always crawl to the same depth. As we do a full crawl of the
web, we find most of the sites from our fresh crawl and put them in
our regular index. My advice on our fresh crawl is to view it as a
nice "bonus" on top of google's deep index. Users can always search
our full index, but sometimes we can serve up even fresher pages as an
extra nicety.
  
The rest of the discussion is at:  
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/6339.htm  
  
Basically, if your site is picked up by Freshbot one day, but not the
next, the site's listing reverts to its normal listing. If your site
didn't previously have a regular listing, it disappears. Here are some
more opinions at WebMasterWorld:
  
Google also has what we call the fresh-bot, also nicknamed "minty". It
crawls much more frequently, but not as deeply. It is used to update
pages in the index which change often. After a freshbot crawl you site
may appear for a few days with an updated listing, called a "fresh
listing". However, if the freshbot does not return within a few more
days, your "fresh listing" will disappear, and your listing will
revert to whatever it was during the previous deep-crawl, meaning the
one at least one month ago. If you have never had a "previous" deep
crawl, then your site may disappear. If the fresh bot returns to your
site, your fresh listing may re-appear. Therefore, during the first 30
to 59 days of a site's life, it may drop in and out of Google's
results page.
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/6743.htm  
  
When we do a new fresh crawl, it currently replaces the last fresh
crawl. And again, we do experiments from time to time, so different
crawls may visit different pages. (GoogleGuy again)
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/6339.htm  
  
My site is new and isn't in the Main Index yet, but was in for a day,
due to fresh bot crawl 3 days ago. freshbot came back this morning
(whew), grabbed some pages, but I'm nowhere to be found... The point
is that pages found by freshbot have an unsure life in Google's index.
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/5196-3-15.htm  

NOTE: WebMasterWorld is a great resource, but you need to register to
use it (don't worry, it's free and painless).

  
Search Strategy: searching WebMasterWorld for "freshbot"  
  
  
This is a huge subject, with thousands of people guessing at what is
going on, and rare instances of someone like GoogleGuy giving
semi-official answers. If you need any further explanation of this
topic, just ask for a clarification.

  
Best wishes,  
robertskelton-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by nyswonger-ga on 14 Feb 2003 09:14 PST
GOOD JOB. REAL QUICK DO I NEED TO RESUBMIT TO GOOGLE OR JUST WAIT. THANKS DAVE

Clarification of Answer by robertskelton-ga on 14 Feb 2003 13:19 PST
Although everything should be okay without re-submitting,
re-submitting you URL can do no harm. Any time you have any problem
with the way Google is listing your site, or when you make major
changes to it, submit the URL again. Google has never penalised for
submitting too often, but doing it more than once a month is a bit
redundant.
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