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Annoying low frequency sound
Category: Science Asked by: annoyance-ga List Price: $30.00 |
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18 Feb 2003 14:33 PST
Expires: 20 Mar 2003 14:33 PST Question ID: 163158 |
Is low frequency sound more annoying than sound at higher frequency? What is the threshold of annoyance for low frequency in dbA and DbC? I'm talking about sound in the 20hz to 150hz range. What would be the effect on a human hearing 30hz "rumble" every second of he evening while at home for 9 months? |
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Re: Annoying low frequency sound
Answered By: krobert-ga on 18 Feb 2003 18:26 PST Rated: |
annoyance-ga, According to Beranek (Ref 1., references are located at the bottom of the answer), discomfort occurs at a specific decibel level, and not at a specific frequency. 120 Decibels (Db) is the "threshold of discomfort". At this point, the sound (a pure tone) becomes uncomfortable to listen to. Between 120 Db and 140 Db there is a region called the "sensation of feeling" where a pure tone is very uncomfortable to listen to. Above 140 Db is the threshold of pain in which a pure tone becomes intolerable. The difficult thing that comes into play is that the human ear is not a perfect hearing device. There is a term, minimum audible field (MAF), that comes into play. This is the lowest sound pressure level that can be perceived by the human ear. Rather than being at a specific pressure level, the MAF varies according to the frequency. It is more difficult for the human ear to hear tones at the low end of the spectrum than at the high. If you've ever taken a hearing test you probably have first hand experience of this. The lower tones are much more difficult to hear than the higher ones. The minimum audible field for a tone of about 30 Hertz is about 35 Db. The MAF threshold for 16,000 (The highest data shown in the source), is about 20 Db. Human's hear 4000 Hz tones about the best, with the MAF threshold at a paltry -3Db (yes, negative three... it just means that the sound pressure level is below the reference sound pressure level). Your question mentioned DbA and DbC. These are both human-ear-corrected Decibel scales. See the following webpage: NADA - The Sound Wall http://www.sfu.ca/~westerka/installations/nada/dba.html There is a nice scale that shows the weighting of both the DbA and DbC scales here: Grozier Technical Systems http://www.grozier.com/whichmetricdbadbc.htm So, if you understand the above graphs, you can see that the weightings simply modify the "regular" db scale. Taking all the above into account, the effect of a 30 Hz rumble on human hearing really depends on the decibel level and not so much on the frequency. The decibel level that is important is the decibel level that reaches your ears. In other words, you can't take a measurement 50 or 100 feet from where your head would normally be (in a house, or on a back porch) and expect an accurate measurement. Damage to human hearing is cumulative... so, it depends on two things, level and time. The only really accurate way to measure hearing loss is by taking hearing tests. A before and after would be about the best, but taking one after the nine months would let you know where your hearing stands compared to the rest of the population. Finally, don't just take my word for it. If you or a friend has Linux (Ref 2) with xmms (Ref 3) installed, you can try using the tone generator (Ref 4, section 3.6.1.5) that is included with it. You can play around with it and generate low and high tones at the same volume and see how easy or difficult it is to hear them. Please let me know if you would like me to clarify anything for you. krobert-ga References 1) "Acoustical Measurements (Revised)" by Leo Beranek, Acoustical Society of America (1988). 2) Linux http://www.linux.com/ 3) X Multimedia System http://www.xmms.org/ 4) X Multimedia System Documentation http://www.xmms.org/docs/readme.html | |
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annoyance-ga
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Interesting but not what I asked. I am needing to know threshold of "annoyance" not hearing damage. I have Beranek material. Simply put: What level of low frequency rumble starts driving people "crazy". |
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Re: Annoying low frequency sound
From: spurious-ga on 18 Feb 2003 19:31 PST |
krobert-ga's answer is technically accurate for pure tones within the audible range, but doesn't address resonance and psychological distress. From annoyance-ga's question, I think he is probably building a plaintif's case against some industrial annoyance. These factors are probably the foremost concerns here. Physically, resonance effects in the infrasound and near-infrasound bands can be discomforting or even dangerous. While high pitches can carry higher energy levels, these sounds are localized and do not carry far or penetrate sound insulation well. Low frequencies do. Elephant infrasound calls are shown to carry for miles and bend round corners. Low frequency sounds hug surfaces and carry through the earth and oceans. They travel through ventilation ducts and steel girders. These sounds can be inescapable and are not easily blocked by double glazing, ear-plugs or even active-attenuating hearing protectors. Physiologically, a 30Hz rumble is within the audible range and at the levels described would have no trouble keeping you awake all night. Standard DbC correction tables only apply to a typical population of subjects without hearing damage. I have a neighbor with some degree of high-frequency hearing loss. His attention is therefore focused in the lower frequencies. My airconditioner, which is working well and no louder than normal, is a source of great annoyance to him. Environmental officers and the building superintendant have been called many times, but they can only barely detect the sound. Psychologically, the distress caused will be related to the victim's physical, mental and emotional states and the ambient conditions. For example, after a 48-hour hostipal shift, sleep deprived and full of work stress, trying desperately to get a few hours' shut-eye, the pat-pat-pat of a drip on the airconditioner can send you totally up the wall, and drive you to completely irrational acts, like sleeping in a bathtub. The dripping patter is many orders of magnitude below 140 Db. The psychological effect is very much dependent on baseline ambient conditions and is especially annoying in quiet neighborhoods or when you subject is trying to listen to conversation, the TV, music, etc. Repeated, incessant annoyances over a long time period can exacerbate a feeling of helplessness and compound the distress. The ancient Chinese water-torture is an example. If krobert-ga's a lawyer, a psychologist and physicist's testimony would be very useful. If he's the plaintiff I'm sure there'd be plenty of lawyers willing to take his case on contingency. If he's the cause of the noise, he needs to look at sound-proofing, damping, re-engineering and possibly legal representation. Specialists in all fields abound. It's not exactly a reliable source, but the following link details the use of low frequency acoustic weaponry. These descrie physical resonance effects, but the psychological effects are well documented. http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/gavreaus.htm - spurious-ga |
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Re: Annoying low frequency sound
From: spurious-ga on 18 Feb 2003 19:34 PST |
Oops, please replace krobert-ga with annoyance-ga in the following paragraph! If krobert-ga's a lawyer, a psychologist and physicist's testimony would be very useful. If he's the plaintiff I'm sure there'd be plenty of lawyers willing to take his case on contingency. If he's the cause of the noise, he needs to look at sound-proofing, damping, re-engineering and possibly legal representation. Specialists in all fields abound. |
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Re: Annoying low frequency sound
From: chucksezdotcom-ga on 13 May 2003 06:50 PDT |
Surprised doctors told me I almost had the hearing of a dog when I took my first hearing test at age 12. Ive always been supersensitive to noise and have my own Radio Shack handheld noise meter with an A weighting scale on the selection dial. Once I piped a neighbors loud pool pump noise back at him through an amplifier. Failed bearings caused the pump to be heard by the county inspectors all the way down the block when they came to inspect but they said they had no funds at that time to enforce the near-fence noise code. Anticipating a counter attack with water, I had covered the speaker with a plastic garbage bag. When the sheriff came to break up the ensuing over-fence water fight, he laughed and said the noise may be his but no judge would ever side with me due to my ingenious and diabolical noise retaliation scheme. This is not the best legal strategy. The neighbors at our present house are much more cooperative and their pool pumps noise is normal. However, having the sensitive hearing I have, the sound was still too high for my comfort. But this time, rather than pugilistic, I took a more sensible route, I offered to buy him a new pump. Here is my blog entry for the whole episode: Monday, April 07, 2003 Pentair Pool Pumps Win Big Fusion energy is on my mind today but first, I report a grand success in one engineering project with the neighbors permission, the successful attempt to quiet the his pool pump situated right at the edge of my backyard adjoining his side strip. A significant research effort produced the identification of the quietest pool pump made, the Pentair Whisperflo pump. As advertised, the Pentair pump reduced the noise level at three feet from 74 dbA to less than 62 dbA. Recalling that the dbA scale is a log scaled of sound pressure to a reference sound pressure weighted for the human ear, I concluded the noise level is now significantly lower. Furthermore, as described as an expected result by the Pentair sales person, if you entered the back yard of the neighbor's yard, you'd have to search for the pump because you can't even tell where it is located due to the highly reduced sound. Yes, I paid for the pump but complete installation and pump was $537, a cost I gladly paid in order to have the peace and quiet returned to my back patio. Ah, lovely spring. I think I'll go out there right now and bask in the sun and quiet spring sounds of the birds and water fountain in the corner of my backyard. Finally, the neighbor stands to pay much less in pool pump electricity as the new pump is of the modern efficient design, most likely done on computer aided design software program enabling much less power to move the same amount of water. The required wattage dropped from 2 hp all the way down to ¾ hp. So its hats off to the Pentair company for a design and manufacture job well done. Pentair Pumps: http://www.pentairpool.com My next noise issue is my own air conditioner. Although it is normal, the noise is still way too high for me. Especially since I added a rain forest where the unit now resides: http://www.chucksez.com/rain_forest.html The solution to quiet my own air conditioner? A Lennox HSX14 unit, of course! http://www.lennox.com/product/mn_cooling.html#HSX15 Hope you enjoyed my noise stories and good luck with the bull dozers! |
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