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Subject: The Homintern
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: probonopublico-ga
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Posted: 24 Feb 2003 11:39 PST
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Question ID: 166485
I first came across this term in connexion with Maxwell Knight, the
MI5 man in charge of Countering Political Subversion from 1931 to
whenever.

Reportedly, Max wrote a paper 'The Homintern is Not Dead', possibly
alluding to Anthony Blunt, etc.

I have now seen that the term was concocted by W H Auden, the poet.

It seems to be a play on 'Comintern' (the Communist International).

Any more insights on its origins?

Request for Question Clarification by journalist-ga on 24 Feb 2003 12:22 PST
Greetings Probonopublico:

I did not locate any specific origin explanation but I did find a few
more references for you and I wanted to know if these fall within the
parameters of the information for which you are searching:


1950 reference
From http://gaytoday.badpuppy.com/garchive/reviews/020199re.htm
"Scandal sheet authors of the 1950s often complained about a
"homintern"; a cabal of homosexual men who controlled the arts."  This
is from "Jesse Monteagudo's Book Nook" where there are reviews of two
books, "Cole Porter: A Biography" and "Stephen Sondheim: A Life".


1969 reference
From http://www.antipas.org/books/homo_revolution/hr_03.html
"Time magazine (10/31/'69) speaks of homosexual "homintern" and asks
the questiong "Is there a homosexual conspiracy afoot to dominate the
arts and other fields?"

"Time answers, "Sometimes it seems that way." A gay boss uses his
influence to help gay friends. And before long the circle is closed
and the gays dominate. The music world, the theater, the art world,
painting, dance, fashion, hair dressing, interior design are all
heavily saturated and dominated by the "homintern."


From http://www.jfk-online.com/eoc1301exc.html
"An analysis by A. E. Weeks of the British names in Shaw's address
book shows that he was a handshake away from a member of the Philby
"Homintern." (#25, Lobster 20, 9 pp.)"

I then searched "philby shaw" and found "The private life of Kim
Philby" by Rufina Philby with Hayden Peake and Mikhail Lyubimov.  The
term "homintern" was not mentioned on that site but homosexuality was
mentioned.


From http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/edwvii.htm but seems
to be just a use of the term in general
"Edward's home at Marlborough House in London was also a center of the
``Homintern.'' One of Edward's friends, Lord Arthur Somerset--known to
his friends as Podge--was arrested during a police raid in one of
London's numerous homosexual brothels. A satire of Edward was written
in the style of Tennyson's ``Idylls of the King.'' This was called
``Guelpho the Gay--the Coming K.'' Some recalled a predecessor on the
throne, Edward the Confessor. This future king was to go down as
Edward the Caresser.

"Prince Felix Yussupov was the heir to the biggest fortune in Russia.
He was also considered the most beautiful transvestite in Europe. One
evening Yussupov, dressed as a woman, attended the theater in Paris.
He noted a portly, whiskered gentleman ogling him through an opera
glass from one of the box seats. Within minutes, Yussupov received a
mash note signed King Edward VII. Remember that Yussupov is the man
who assassinated Rasputin, the holy man and reputed German agent, in
December 1916, detonating the Russian Revolution a few months later.
Here we see the great political importance of King Edward's
Homintern."


From http://www.soach.com/doon/Pages/press17.htm
"There was a time when all the best intellectual networks, from the
Comintern to the Homintern (the Cambridge spy ring), were on the
left."


From http://members.iglou.com/jtmajor/2Lives.htm, a review of THE
TERRIBLE SECRET - review by Joseph T Major of "DOUBLE LIVES: Spies and
Writers in the Secret Soviet War of Ideas Against the West"
"Whence came the moral impetus that drove Burgess into the Soviet
orbit? The Cambridge spies came from the second generation of the
Bloomsbury group. That frustrated political elitism sprang from a
frustrated literary elitism. Koch's choice for the theorist of this
revolution is Lytton Strachey, the godfather of Bloomsbury.

"The central constituent of Stratchey's ideology was "friendship". But
this was only a cover word, a guise to lull the suspicions of the
uncomprehending outsiders. "Stratchey genuinely believed that as a
homosexual he belonged to an erotic elite that had passed beyond the
crudity and grossness of heterosexual manhood into the realms of finer
feeling." [p. 186] And so Guy Burgess and his colleague and probable
recruiter Anthony Blunt, this devil's disciples, used their own secret
clan to recruit for a wider secret clan. Quoting Sir Isaiah Berlin,
Koch refers to it as the "Homintern". (Lyndon LaRouche uses
"Homintern" as a smear of his political targets such as Ed Koch and
Henry Kissinger. This use may cause some confusion.)"


From http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2817goldsmithterrorists.html
"The Goldsmith brothers have been friends of Wall Street financier and
Spook, John Train, since the 1950s, when they worked as a virtual
commune together to publish Paris Review. This magazine promoted
psychedelics through the writings of Alduous Huxley, as well as
promoting the "poetry" of such associates of British "triple agent"
H.A.R. "Kim" Philby and his "Homintern" as W.H. Auden, Stephen
Spender, and so forth."


From http://www.schwarzreport.org/Essays/marxism&americansociety.htm
"When people like Burgess, Maclean, Philby, and Blunt betrayed their
country, their choice was not between their country and their friends,
but between their country and its enemy. Nevertheless, it was with
romantic images of friendship that they justified their conduct. In
the homosexual circle in which they moved-the 'homintern,' as W. H.
Auden aptly described it-the image of 'the friend' had a special
attraction. The friend was the symbol of the only loyalty that
mattered, a loyalty that was private, secret, nurtured in opposition
to the world of normal people. All rival obligations-to spouse,
parents, family, and country-counted for nothing, being merely the
philistine requirements of middle-class bores....And to show their
contempt for King and Country, the homintern threw in their lot with
the Communists....Their Communism was really an anti-patriotism, just
as their adulation of friendship was really a contempt for family
life. The Communist party was able to conscript these essentially
negative feelings, so helping the 'outsiders' of bourgeois society to
become its destroyers."


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Clarification of Question by probonopublico-ga on 24 Feb 2003 23:14 PST
Hi, Journalist

You've turned up some good stuff (as usual).

This is useful and maybe it's the best possible.

However, I was hoping that someone might find the origin of the term.
I've seen it used in the context of the Edwardian era (1901-1910) but
not contemporaneously.

Rightly or wrongly, I have inferred that it is a play on Comintern
which suggests a later date of introduction.

Would you agree?

Request for Question Clarification by justaskscott-ga on 24 Feb 2003 23:38 PST
Harold Norse attributed this word to himself (as opposed to WH Auden).
 As for Ian Fleming, the timing isn't right: he did not begin his
writing career until the 1950s, well after the date indicated on the
pages mentioned by markj-ga.

"The Life of Ian Fleming (1908-1964)", by John Cork (1995)
klast.net
http://www.klast.net/bond/flem_bio.html

Would a citation to Harold Norse's self-attribution be sufficient for
an answer?

Clarification of Question by probonopublico-ga on 24 Feb 2003 23:57 PST
Hi, JustAskScott

I'm not sure ... Please post as a comment and, if it looks convincing,
I will ask you to repost as an Answer.

Kindest regards

Bryan

Request for Question Clarification by journalist-ga on 25 Feb 2003 06:41 PST
I am in agreement with you on the comintern/homintern connection.  One
of my links mentioned Koch quoting philosopher Sir Isaiah Berlin
(1907-1997) regarding the term.  Of course, whomever it is attributed
to doesn't necessarily mean that person originated it.  My quirky
sense of humor imagines a conversation among some homosexual members
of the Comintern and one coyly suggests, "Honey, we're not Comintern
we're Homintern."  :)

Clarification of Question by probonopublico-ga on 25 Feb 2003 09:15 PST
Hi, Justascott

That will do nicely.

Many thanks!

Kindest regards

Bryan
Answer  
Subject: Re: The Homintern
Answered By: justaskscott-ga on 25 Feb 2003 14:23 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Hello probonopublico,

I'm glad I finally have the opportunity to answer one of your
questions.  I can't add anything significant to the comment, so I will
simply repeat the comment here:

Harold Norse wrote that in autumn 1939, while he was W. H. Auden's
secretary, he had this exchange with "Wystan" (i.e. Auden; Wystan was
his first name):
 
'"Where does that leave us?" I said. "I mean homosexuals? They won't
tolerate the Homintern-the Homosexual International."
 
"That's a marvelous portmanteau word, Harold," he said. "Very clever.
Did you coin it?" I nodded.'
 
"Newsletter 10-11 (September 1993): Auden at the League of American
Writers in New York"
The W. H. Auden Society 
http://www.audensociety.org/10-11newsletter.html#P85_23300 

- justaskscott


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probonopublico-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $5.00
Brilliant!

Also 5 Honorary Stars; $5,000 (unused) Monopoly Notes and 2 Brownie
Points for Journalist. These can be collected at the Masked Ball.

Kindest regards

Bryan

Comments  
Subject: Re: The Homintern
From: pinkfreud-ga on 24 Feb 2003 12:44 PST
 
Along similar lines of word-coinage: when I was a teenager, I used to
refer to my mother and her group of bossy friends as "The Momintern."
Subject: Re: The Homintern
From: markj-ga on 24 Feb 2003 13:07 PST
 
Two "gay slang" websites suggest that the term "homintern" was coined
by Ian Fleming, although one of them also suggests another
possibility, a poet named Harold Norse.

(I am not providing the links here because they contain x-rated
material.)

markj-ga
Subject: Re: The Homintern
From: justaskscott-ga on 25 Feb 2003 07:53 PST
 
Well, normally I don't post potential answers as comments (how would I
make money?), but since you are a repeat Google Answers customer ....
Harold Norse wrote that in autumn 1939, while he was W. H. Auden's
secretary, he had this exchange with "Wystan" (i.e. Auden; Wystan was
his first name):

'"Where does that leave us?" I said. "I mean homosexuals? They won't
tolerate the Homintern-the Homosexual International."

"That's a marvelous portmanteau word, Harold," he said. "Very clever.
Did you coin it?" I nodded.'

"Newsletter 10-11 (September 1993): Auden at the League of American
Writers in New York"
The W. H. Auden Society
http://www.audensociety.org/10-11newsletter.html#P85_23300

If you think that this is answer-worthy, please let me know.
Subject: Re: The Homintern
From: journalist-ga on 28 Feb 2003 21:35 PST
 
Thanks for your kind words!  I'll be at the ball with bells on - oh,
and I'll be dressed as Elvis.  Right now, I'm headed off to purchase
Boardwalk and collect my next badge.  :)

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