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data is/data are
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference Asked by: badabing-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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27 Feb 2003 11:31 PST
Expires: 29 Mar 2003 11:31 PST Question ID: 167925 |
for language purists only PLEASE... mornin' researchers, since, there are 3,570,000 hits on "data is" and "2,470,000 for "data are," would you please argue your best defense for using each and then find the most authoritative source for the correct (probably old school) usage. thanks a bunch! ever in need of an answer, granny p.s. this is what I've found so far: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/2527 |
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Answered By: justaskscott-ga on 27 Feb 2003 12:31 PST Rated: |
Hi Granny, long time no see! (You should discount the previous statement because I'm a bit nearsighted.) My first thought was that this is one of those descriptive / prescriptive arguments. "Data is" describes how a majority of people -- at least according to Google -- write "data" with a form of the verb "to be". "Data are" is what grammarians prescribe, since "data" is the plural of "datum". However, the evidence is muddled. (Ain't that always the truth.) For the past tense, the Google score is: "data was", 1,030,000; "data were", 1,160,000. (Meanwhile, "data has" defeats "data have".) As to grammarians: "of the 136 distinguished consultants on usage polled for the 1975 Harper Dictionary of Contemporary Usage, 49% responded that they use 'The data is...' in writing. And in casual speech, 65% use data as singular." "Data Is/Data Are", by Dan O'Neill (Alaska Science Forum, August 24, 1979, Article #334) Geophysical Institute, University of Alaska Fairbanks http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF3/334.html In light of this confusing situation, I think the best argument lies somewhere in the middle. Rather than say simply that "data" is plural and requires a plural verb (the argument for "data are") or that "data" has effectively become a singular, collective noun, and therefore should take or does in practice take a singular verb (the argument for "data" is), we can have it both ways! "If you are talking about a single set of figures to a lay audience, data IS may be more appropriate. In a technical paper, reporting results obtained from extensive analysis, stick with data ARE." "Let's Communicate" [under "Write the Right Word"] (Electronic Newsletter, June 1997, No. 18) North Dakota State University, Agriculture Communication Department http://www.ag.ndsu.nodak.edu/letscomm/9706.htm In other words, the appropriateness of "data is" or "data are" depends on the thing(s) being described and the persons to whom you are describing it/them. On this theme, see: "'Data Is' vs. 'Data Are'", John Cullen (1999) SharpWriter.com http://www.sharpwriter.com/aaacontent/data_is.htm This split decision is supported by recent usage resources on Bartleby.com, which I suppose are fairly authoritative: "3. Word Choice: New Uses, Common Confusion, and Constraints: § 88. data" (The American Heritage Book of English Usage: A Practical and Authoritative Guide to Contemporary English, 1996) Bartleby.com http://www.bartleby.com/64/C003/088.html "data, datum (n.)", by Kenneth G. Wilson (The Columbia Guide to Standard American English, 1993) Bartleby.com http://www.bartleby.com/68/19/1619.html But all of the sources I've cited indicate that, if you're talkin' old school, "data are" is correct. Ever willing to humor (or is it humour?) Granny, justaskscott-ga Search terms used on Google: "data is" "data are" "data is" "data are" grammar grammar | |
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boffo info, kids. I have some guidelines for using both, including the whys and wherefores, and I'll print these articles out for reference. thanks, everyone, for your comments as they're much appreciated. I'll check out Philip Howard's book since I lend extra credence to blokes from across the pond. economist.com has an online style guide that I use quite often. cheerio, gang! |
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From: jeremymiles-ga on 27 Feb 2003 12:41 PST |
This is a bugbear of mine, so I have to comment. Strunk and White "The Elements of style" say (something along the lines of - sorry this is from memory). The word data is a plural, like phenomena and criteria." The singular is datum. And note that in the sentence above, I wrote "data is" but I wasn't thinking that it was singular. So scores on Google might not be correct. jeremymiles-ga |
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From: carnegie-ga on 27 Feb 2003 13:08 PST |
Dear Badabing, I don't think one can properly compare "data" with "phenomena" or "criteria". People who use "data" as a singular are using it as a mass noun (Justaskscott calls it a "singular, collective noun") to represent a whole (singular) body of data. There is no plural in this sense. People who use "phenomena" or "criteria" as singular nouns are talking about an individual phenomenon or criterion and are simply misunderstanding the words. So I go with Justaskscott and his sources: it all depends on what you mean by "data". But anyway, my main point is to mention the article on the word "data" by Philip Howard (who occasionally writes on words in The (London) Times) in one of his books (sorry, but I forget which). The article's title sums up his view: Data is not what they used to be. I trust this helps. Carnegie |
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From: alan_dershowitz-ga on 27 Feb 2003 13:22 PST |
I am not an expert. I've noticed a growing number of people who argue that words of latin/greek origin are now assimilated into English, and so more "English" usage is appropriate. So you then get words like appendixes, octopuses, viruses (virus is already plural), or "data is". Some of this is understandable in the cases where the context of the word changes between the languages, but in other cases it is just stubborn and ignorant. For example, people use the plural "appendixes" simply because it somehow became acceptable to have righteous indignation when people correct your third-grade English usage. That said, I think the case could be made that in English, "data" is a kind of aggregate singular. Usage takes second place to ease of use. Would you rather say "this data is bad" or "these data are bad?" Still, I prefer "are," because I'm an anal retentive SOB. |
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From: badabing-ga on 27 Feb 2003 13:36 PST |
holy crap, it's Alan Dershowitz! I love anal retentive SOBs who can also bend a little. thanks for the input. |
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From: pinkfreud-ga on 27 Feb 2003 19:12 PST |
Hear, hear. (Or perhaps har, har would be more fun.) I have a permanent bee in my bonnet over "data is/data are." I also have a similar bonnet-bee regarding the use of "media" and "phenomena" as if they are singular nouns. Then there's "kudos," when used as if it were a plural (I have even seen the abominable back-formation "kudo" for the supposed singular form. Auggh.) I am such a fussy old language maven that all these bees in my bonnet have given me a bad case of hives, up with which I shall not put. ;-) ~Pink |
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From: maisie-ga on 27 Feb 2003 20:03 PST |
Since Granny asked for the arguments for both sides, I just wanted to pop in for the "data is" camp. I think most formally trained linguists would say that language change is a powerful and unstoppable force (which is why Shakespearean English can be hard to understand and Old English is completely incomprehensible), and that in fact there's no reason to fight against language change because the entire concept of proscriptive "grammar" has historically just been a way for upper classes to distinguish themselves from lower classes. So to a linguist, a person who says "ain't" as opposed to "isn't" is the same thing as a person from England saying "lorry" as opposed to a person from the US saying "truck." Different people speak English differently, with no value judgments assumed. In the case of "data," you've got an irregular form which is being treated by more and more people as if it were a regular form. In general, irregular forms almost always become regularized over time, unless they are really frequent words in the language (like English am/is/are). Anyway, language change is really, really cool, and I highly recommend asking Google Answers for some easy-to-follow-for-laypeople references about historical linguistics. |
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From: justaskscott-ga on 28 Feb 2003 10:56 PST |
Thanks, granny! Careful about looking across the pond; the Queen's English and, what, Dubya's English? (let's say Safire's English, which is more authoritative) may differ in this respect, as they do in others. That may be an obvious point, but I'm only saying what I would tell myself; Anglophilia must have its limits. |
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From: alan_dershowitz-ga on 28 Feb 2003 11:34 PST |
FYI, I am not the Alan Dershowitz that you are probably familiar with. |
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From: carnegie-ga on 28 Feb 2003 12:10 PST |
Dear Badabing, If you like The Economist's on-line style guide, you may like The Guardian's too. It is at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/styleguide It disagrees with The Economist over "data": data takes a singular verb; like agenda, strictly a plural, but no one ever uses "agendum" or "datum" Carnegie |
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