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Subject: Selling property without expensive agent
Category: Business and Money
Asked by: traderaider-ga
List Price: $2.50
Posted: 27 Feb 2003 13:59 PST
Expires: 29 Mar 2003 13:59 PST
Question ID: 168003
I want to sell a condo I own in Toronto, Canada. However, the 5% fees
that real agents charge are pretty ridiculous (2.5% to listing agent,
2.5% to purchaser's agent). Is there a less expensive way to sell? I
am willing to pay up to 2.5% in total commissions. "For sale by owner"
is supposed to be less effective, I am told. Are there discount
agencies or the like?
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Subject: Re: Selling property without expensive agent
Answered By: journalist-ga on 27 Feb 2003 15:59 PST
 
Greetings TraderRaider:

A friend of mine purchased a FSBO through ReMax and the commission she
paid was 3% for the realtor to handle every detail of the transaction.
 ReMax is in Canada at http://www.remax.ca/ and I discovered a list of
Canadian FSBO links for you offered at
http://www.getyourhousesold.com/fsbo.htm#canada.

A site at http://biznet.maximizer.com/fsbo/msg8.html offers FSBO
contacts and a contact page at
http://biznet.maximizer.com/fsbo/msg8.html.  Also, visit FSBO
Properties Canada at http://www.nbhomeweb.com/ and
http://allthelistings.com/, the latter having a searchable province
directory for Canada (see "Choose state or province" in the upper left
column).

Note the resources at http://www.forsalebyownercanada.com/resource.htm
and visit their "Home Selling Tips" page at
http://www.forsalebyownercanada.com/tips.htm


I caution you not to sign with any FSBO realtor or plan until you have
reviewed a few agents' commissions and what the commissions include -
they should include everything that a normal realty sale would
involve.  It is wise to use an agent or a lawyer for a home sale
because of the intense paperwork involved.  Plus, they are working for
you and you are able to direct them to handle all the intricacies of
the purchase.

There are also "flat fee" realtors which are becoming popular with
sellers.  Some Canadian links I found for those were:

Fairfield Realty
http://www.tonybrogan.com/partsell.html

Flat Fee Realty
http://www.flatfeerealty.ca/


I hope you will be able to find the right realtor for your FSBO needs
from the links I have provided.  Should you need clarification of any
of the information I have provided, please request it and I will be
happy to respond.


SEARCH STRATEGY:

Canada FSBO realty
Canada flat fee realty
ReMax Canada

Request for Answer Clarification by traderaider-ga on 04 Mar 2003 12:19 PST
Isn't ReMax like every other real estate agency? Don't they charge the
same type of commissions? When your friend sold her place, did the
buyer pay the 3% commission? If so, didn't she have to adjust the
price accordingly to make the place attractive, thus neutralising the
savings? Please clarify. Thanks.

Clarification of Answer by journalist-ga on 04 Mar 2003 15:47 PST
My friend found the FSBO on her own.  However, she had been working
with a ReMax agent looking at listed properties, too, and when she saw
the FSBO while they were out seeing houses one day, she liked it and
contacted the buyer directly.

Then, after my friend saw the FSBO, she phoned the realtor and asked
what would be the charge for the realty company to take care of the
sale.  The realtor stated 3%.

Although my friend could have handled the purchase through other
means, such as paying a lawyer (because she found the FSBO, not the
realtor so neither she nor the seller had any obligation to the
realtor), she chose to honor the realtor with a buyer's commmission
because she had seen the FSBO while looking at nearby property *with*
the realtor (who had shown her a lot of properties during the weeks
before).  The purchase was then handled professionally sparing my
friend any headaches with any part of the purchase, necessary papers,
etc.

In the transaction, my friend added the commission to the sale price
of the property and then the seller immediately gave back the added
commission to the realtor.  In essence, my friend paid the realtor a
seller's commission but it was half the 6% the seller would have paid
a realtor had the property been listed.  The realty agency had
incurred no expenses for listing, advertising, etc. so they were
pleased enough with 3%.

This is done frequently by realtors with FSBOs.  It's just not widely
known because the realtor makes less so they don't encourage the
practice.

The attractive part for my friend was this: She had seen homes in the
same neighborhood through the realtor for $7,000 to $10,000 more than
the FSBO.  The FSBO commission she paid was under $2,000.  So my
friend bought her home for under market value in the area where she
preferred to live.  Even after her closing costs she came in under the
asking price of the other homes in the neighborhood.  She recieved
instant equity that way.

Most realtors will deal just like other salespeople deal.  If I am not
mistaken, ReMax is mostly all brokers, if not all and it's a franchise
name.  They pay commission only to themselves and their business
expenses (office, etc).

Regarding FSBOs being less effective, that depends on if you choose to
advertise the property in a local paper or on a local website.  Part
of the realtor's general commission is to handle promotion of the
property.  Also, if a property is for sale near you, with a sign,
people visiting that property will see your sign.  In a condo area,
there is usually a steady flow of traffic and neighbors will mention
it to friends and co-workers.  Two of my other friends have bought
FSBOs because of a lead they heard at work from the FSBO neighbor.
Comments  
Subject: Re: Selling property without expensive agent
From: martinjay-ga on 27 Feb 2003 14:49 PST
 
Research the term FSBO, sometimes pronounced
Fizzbo.  For Sale By Owner.  Check to see if Remax
has offices in Canada.  I agree about being ridiculous,
the entire industry is in for a turning upside down.
Their value and ease of replacement is being eliminated
by the web.  Won't happen soon enough.

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