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Simplest stability formulae
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: sir-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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18 May 2002 22:04 PDT
Expires: 25 May 2002 22:04 PDT Question ID: 16904 |
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Re: Simplest stability formulae
Answered By: davidmaymudes-ga on 20 May 2002 22:36 PDT Rated: |
do you know where the center of mass of the barge is? if you did this with a cube, of course, the cube would just spin so that the point where the weight was attached was on the bottom.... so the critical thing for stability is that the center of mass be as low as possible compared to the center of buoyancy.... 1000 pounds will lower the barge as a whole 1000/(40x20x64) = 0.0195 feet = .235 inches (assuming that the 1000-pound weight is very dense compared with water, otherwise you need to correct for that, of course) the barge is currently displacing 40x20x4x64 = 204800 pounds of water, i.e. that's how much it weighs. if we assume that the center of mass is originally a distance X below the center of buoyancy (which is currently two feet below the water), then the barge will rotate until the new center of mass is below the center of the barge. the new center of mass is offset by 1000 pounds x 10 feet / 204800 pounds = 0.0488 feet = .586 inches. so the angle the barge will rotate is arctan(.586 inches / X)... if the center of mass is one foot from the bottom of the boat, say, that would be 12 inches below the COB, so the angle is arctan(.586/12)=2.8 degrees.... at the edge of the boat, that's a movement of 10 feet x sin(angle) = 5.85 inches. for small angles, this simplifies to vertical = weight * offset * offset / (bargeweight * X) perhaps a simpler way to put it is (offset^2) * (ratio of added weight to barge weight) * (X) where X, again, is the distance between the center of mass and the center of buoyancy. remember to add back in the .235 inches the whole barge sinks into the water from the added weight, so that's just over six inches total. (again, this is only an approximation, but it gives a simple rule of thumb about how much you'll tip. please pay somebody more than $4 to figure this out for you if you're about to actually sink a boat!) I enjoyed working out this answer, I hope you find this helpful. Thanks for using Google Answers! |
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Re: Simplest stability formulae
From: skermit-ga on 19 May 2002 13:08 PDT |
I spent 4 hours last night looking through Navy engineering practice tests, pulled out my oldschool physics book, and then came to the conclusion that without taking a course in fluid dynamics, I wouldn't be able to answer this question... nice stumper! |
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Re: Simplest stability formulae , please clarify
From: hedgie-ga on 20 May 2002 09:12 PDT |
I feel that the question is not fully defined: LET US SAY cube has a side of length A and density D [in g per cubic cm = g*(cm)^(-3) ] weight is a wire of length A, attached to one unsubmerged edge, which has total mass M and crossection C. THEN, depending on M and D and A, the cube may topple (wire in the water) or just tilt (wire still in the air). I do not see a clear measure of FREEBOARD. Do you want formula for low and high water-edge distance or just formula for stability - i.e. for what values the cube will topple? |
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Re: Simplest stability formulae
From: hedgie-ga on 21 May 2002 09:18 PDT |
Thanks for the clarification Sir. The approximate solution, valid for small deviation from the unperturbed situation can be aproximated by a simple formula. The general case can only be solved numerically, (by finding roots some trigonometric expressions) and cannot be exactly expressed by an algebraic formula. You came up with a nice problem, Sir, but you did throw the barge out with the barge-water :-): By representing the barge by a cube, you oversimplified (as pointed out by davidmaymudes-ga ) too much. Floating cube is only stable for very low (<.2) or very high (.8) densities. (These are in gram per cubic cm, water being 1.) The ratio W/H is essential. Pencil will float on the side, but not be stable when vertical, right? There is a simple stability criterion tying W/H to D. So lets restate the problem as follows: Lets have a rectangular block of wood (with volume Width*Height*Length and density D) floating in the water. Lets place weight of Mass M on one edge, (either at the center or distributed uniformly). Then Tilt = X * (M*g) , where M*g is weight of added load, tilt is angle in radians, or (which as about the same for small angles) sin of that angle. WHAT IS THE X? (for small values of M, Tilt < 15 * 3.1 /180 radians). --------------------------------------------------------------------- That can be answered (but may take more then $5 ;-). Did davidmaymudes answered the question? I am not sure if I can fully follow his reasoning: When he says: > if the center of mass is one foot from the bottom of the boat, say, that.. Is that an assumption or is that so for this shape? The quantity X should have dimension of inverse force (since tilt is dimesionless) The simplified formula he gives : vertical = offset^2 * (Wsmall/Wbarge) does not seem to have consistent dimensions. May be he can clarify this? |
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Re: Simplest stability formulae
From: sir-ga on 19 Jun 2002 21:38 PDT |
OK for those who wonder... I just came up with a simpler method that works for small angles of heel and rotation around an axis near the waterline which covers most ballasting type situations. Disregard the righting arm stuff, finding center of bouyancy-center of gravity etc. when a barge shaped object is heeled some of the barge comes out of the water and some goes in. These areas are triangular in section. the force they produce through lost bouyancy on one side and gained bouyancy opn the other is equal to their volume times the density of the medium. If you flip one over to the other side the two triangluar sections make one rectangular section the voolume of which is easy to calculate. seawater weighs 64 pounds per cubic foot. if the combined sections weigh 500 pounds and their outer edge is 10 feet from the center of the barge multiply 2/3 of the 10 foot radius by the weight to get the rotational force in foot pounds. When you know how much force it takes to sink one side of the barge 1 inch you can multiply by 6 to find out how much it takes to sink one side of the barge six inches. If you go more than 3-4 degrees this system probably goes to hell because the barge begins rotating around an axis that is no longer in the center and the heavy side goes down progressivley more than the light side goes up. But hey I can do this math in a few minutes without a scientific calculator.. I'm going to try this out and see if it really works. Can anyone run a proper calculation and tell me if I'm on the right track? |
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