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Subject: inspiration of the bible
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: bamie-ga
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Posted: 04 Mar 2003 01:04 PST
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Question ID: 170394
A consequence of biblical inspiration is that in the books of the
bible there can be no error; or to say it better: the Bible teaches us
the truth. However,some text seem to provide us with a wrong message
(for example: the heaven stands on columns according to job 26:11). is
the message of the Bible wrong or right? Which considerations have to
be made in order to understand the question of "the truth in the
Bible"? explain all this situation. hint: characteristics of the human
author {instrumental cause); religious character of the text.

Request for Question Clarification by politicalguru-ga on 05 Mar 2003 03:39 PST
The answer I could give you really depends on your needs. Do you ask
it out of interest? As part of your studies? If so - in which
grade/faculty/year? Is your school denominational or "secualr"?
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Subject: Re: inspiration of the bible
From: scriptor-ga on 04 Mar 2003 05:10 PST
 
Dear bamie,

As everything man-made, the biblical texts are subject to errors. The
theory that these texts have been written with inspiration from a
higher being does not exclude the possibility that those who were
inspired made mistrake when writing down the texts.

Regards,
Scriptor
Subject: Re: inspiration of the bible
From: justaskscott-ga on 04 Mar 2003 06:30 PST
 
The answer very much depends on one's point of view (for example,
secular, Baptist, Orthodox Jewish), the text of the Bible one is
using, and one's approach to the text.  You might decide, for
instance, that heaven literally stands on columns; that the phrase is
a metaphor or a piece of symbolism; or that the phrase is
mistranslated (though I don't know if that is a plausible claim in
this case).
Subject: Re: inspiration of the bible
From: journalist-ga on 04 Mar 2003 09:57 PST
 
As far as researching the Christian Old Testament, I decided to go as
close to the source as possible without becoming fluent in Hebrew.  I
purchased an Interlinear Hebrew/English version of the Old Testament
where each word is translated exactly from hebrew to English.  In the
margin of each page is the same text in the form of the New
International version of the Christian bible.

I found it interesting to compare what was from the original Hebrew
text and how it was formed for the layman reader and differed in
interpretation in some instances.  There are words in the original,
such as the term "Nephilim" that did not appear in the text of the
King James version I grew up with.

Also, one may consider other translations.  For instance, the word
"ladder" used in the story of Jacob's dream, actually means "ramp". 
This is a small difference but a ladder and a ramp are two very
different things.

In addition, you should review the work of the Nicene Council.  In 325
AD, an ecumenical council convened - the first gathering of all the
church leaders from Africa, Syria, Mesopotamia, Persia, Pontus,
Galatia, Pamphylia, Cilicia, Phrygia, Thrace, Macedonia, Achaia and
Spain where debate ensued on the matter of the trinity - was God three
or one?  Read the text at
http://ragz-international.com/first_nicene_council.htm and
http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/weekly/aa082499.htm to gain a
deeper understanding of the council's decisions.

From http://www.apostolicbooks.org/details.asp?ProductID=16
"Very few people know where the Trinity doctrine came from. Most do
not know that the Catholic Church published some of the early Bibles,
and that our English Bible was very much translated from Greek and
Latin Catholic Bibles. Many of the early Catholic translators of those
Bibles inserted Trinity Godhead Titles and other Triune slants in
order to circumvent the ancient Judaistic Monotheism found in
Deuteronomy 6:4. "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord.."

It's like the word "rapture" that many Christians utter.  Nowhere in
the Christian bible does this word appear.  See
http://askelm.com/remember/a760201.htm for more information on the
history of the word and doctrine.

Correct or incorrect, the Christian bible presents various scriptures
alleged to be "divinely inspired."  However, there are numerous
scriptures that were once considered "holy" that did not make it into
the Christian bible.  You may decide you would like to review other
scriptures for, while the Christian bible is reported to be "divinely
inspired," the editing of the book was done mostly by the Catholic
church and, later, Protestant reverends.  As with any debate for or
against anything, persons will choose those references that support
their own personal views.

I recommend you read all the scriptures that are not present in the
Christian bible, especially the Gnostic.  In most large bookstores you
will find "The Missing Books of the Bible" or "The Lost Books of the
Bible."  Also, the Catholic Apocrypha was left out of the Protestant
bible line-up so, if you have not read that, I suggest you obtain a
copy for study.

The study of theology is incredibly interesting and I hope you become
an avid scholar.  Also, if you should decide to compare the works of
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John in the Christian New Testament, you will
find discrepancies among their reporting.

For some people, the duality between a vengeful God in the OT and a
kind and loving God in the NT causes questions that most priests and
preachers do not enjoy discussing.  The line that will always be
returned by them at some point when asking for clarity of the
Christian bible is "You have to have faith."  And, truly, we all have
faith in what we believe to be the "truth."

If you are truly interested in an answer to your question, you will
need to begin your own study of Christian theological history and
alternative scripture.  I wish you enlightenment in your quest for
your own truth.  :)
Subject: Re: inspiration of the bible
From: journalist-ga on 04 Mar 2003 10:03 PST
 
See also the history of Hell at http://www.dpjs.co.uk/hell.html which
includes the text "The word translated as "hell" in the New Testament
comes from the Hebrew word "Gehenna". Gehenna meant "the valley of
Hinnom", and was originally a particular valley outside Jerusalem,
where children were sacrificed to the god Moloch (2 Kgs 23:10; 2
Chron. 28:3;Jer. 32:35). In later Jewish literature, Gehenna came to
be associated with a place of torment and unquenchable fire that was
to be the punishment for sinners. It was thought by many that lesser
sinners might eventually be delivered from the fires of Gehenna, but
by New Testament times punishment for sinners was deemed to be
eternal."
Subject: Re: inspiration of the bible
From: pugwashjw-ga on 04 Mar 2003 11:51 PST
 
THE WORD 'GEHENNA' OR VALLEY OF HINNOM, WAS SIMPLY A VALLEY OUTSIDE OF
JERUSALEM WHERE THE RUBBISH OF THE CITY WAS BURNT. TO KEEP THE FIRE
GOING ALL THE TIME, SULPHUR WAS ADDED. ON THIS RUBBISH TIP WERE ALSO
DISCARDED THE BODIES OF CRIMINALS AND THOSE STONED TO DEATH FOR
RELIGIOUS CRIMES..E.G. ADULTERY. THE IDEAR OF A PERMANENT SULPHURESS
PLACE FOR SINNERS WAS TRANSFERRED FROM A SIMPLE CITY RUBBISH TIP TO A
TEACHING OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, BY MEN. A LOVING GOD JUST WOULD NOT
CONTEMPLATE ETERNAL TORMENT. EZEKIEL 18;4 STATES ' THE SOUL THAT IS
SINNING, IT ITSELF WILL DIE... IF ETERNAL TORMENT WERE TRUE, IT WOULD
REQUIRE AN ETERNAL SOUL TO SUFFER ETERNALLY.. BUT THE BIBLE DOES NOT
SAY THAT  Q.E.D.

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