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Safety of helicopter / plane tour of Grand Canyon?
Category: Arts and Entertainment Asked by: richwig-ga List Price: $20.00 |
Posted:
20 May 2002 09:11 PDT
Expires: 27 May 2002 09:11 PDT Question ID: 17078 |
I am thinking about taking a flight from Las Vegas to the Grand Canyon. There are helicopter and fixed wing flights. What is the rate of fatalities on these flights compared to a scheduled commercial airline flight? |
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Re: Safety of helicopter / plane tour of Grand Canyon?
Answered By: larre-ga on 20 May 2002 13:16 PDT Rated: |
Hello! Sounds like you're working on a wonderful vacation plan. I hope this information will assist you. A definitive statistical fatality percentage cannot be obtained because of the lack of available data about the actual number of aircraft used either full-time or part-time for air tour flights. However, I am able to list incidents over the past five years, give you best estimate stats by an industry association, a government report on the safety of air tour operators, plus a document which can help you select a charter flight operator. The USATA (U.S. Air Tours Association) is a voluntary membership body whose members carry the greatest percentage of Grand Canyon passengers each year. These statistics are not broken down into fixed wing craft vs. helicopters. "Steve Bassett, USATA president, said that in 10 years, association members have flown 600,000 tours and carried 4.5 million passengers to the Grand Canyon. Bassett said there were seven fatal air tour accidents involving tourists in that time, all outside Grand Canyon air space. He calculated that air tour companies during that 10-year period have a safety record of 0.98 fatal accidents per 100,000 hours flown. Among commercial airlines, the average number of fatal accidents per year from 1990 to 1999 was .025 per 100,000 hours flown, according to the NTSB." San Diego Union Tribune, August 21, 2001, Ken Ritter, Associated Press. http://www.uniontrib.com/news/state/20010821-1343-wst-helicopt.html According to NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) statistics, there are been 16 accidents involving fixed wing and rotary wing aircraft during Grand Canyon flights during the past five years. Three of the incidents may be discounted, because they involved balloons or experimental aircraft. Five of those accidents involved fatalities. Fixed Wing Accident Fatalities: 3 Accidents, 6 Persons Helicopter Accident Fatalities: 2 Accidents, 7 Persons Additional non-fatality accidents: Fixed Wing Aircraft: 3 Helicopters: 5 You may obtain the query results and individual incident reports listing carriers and details by using the form located at: http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/query.asp#query_start I used the maximum date range, 01/01/1997 - 05/20/2002, State - Arizona, Keywords - Grand Canyon. The Federal Aviation Administration offers a document entitled "Chartering An Aircraft" which details the saftey questions which should be considered when selecting an air charter or air tour operator. Additional Statistical Databases for reference: FAA From the main page, http://www.faa.gov Select the Safety Data link under the category Aviation Safety. You must agree to the site Terms of Service on the next page in order to continue. Select the Databases link. Select the FAA Accident/Incident Data System (AIDS). Under the Data heading, select the AIDS Data Query Tool, which opens automatically in a new browser window. NASA - Preliminary Accident Reports Air Taxi Since Year 2000 - Select Choose by location to see incidents involving the Grand Canyon. http://makeashorterlink.com/?L229527E An official NTSB Report: Safety of Air Tour Industry in the United States, was prepared in January, 1995. A scanned copy of the 60 page printed report in PDF format is available. Flight fatality incidents in 1994 prompted this report. The analysis and conclusions were the primary factor in changes to FAA regulations in 1995 in regard to the routes and flight rules that are in force during Grand Canyon flights today. "...The FAA set a yearly cap of 90,000 sightseeing flights and imposed no-fly zones over wide swaths of the canyon. In April [2001] it placed more restrictions on flights that originate in Las Vegas, curbing the scenic routes operators fly to and from the canyon. " http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/sir/SIR95-01.pdf Additional resources: Helicopter Association International - http://www.rotor.com NTSB - http://www.ntsb.gov/ Grand Canyon - http://www.nps.gov/grca/index.htm I hope this these search results provide the information you're seeking. If needed, please feel free to ask for clarification of any portion. Thank you for using Google Answers. ~larre-ga | |
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richwig-ga
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This was an extremely well-crafted response! It was right on point, very clearly written, and submitted soon after I posted my query. It even included personal experience along with cited authoritative sources. You should use this one as a poster child for Google Answers! |
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Re: Safety of helicopter / plane tour of Grand Canyon?
From: mdg-ga on 20 May 2002 17:24 PDT |
There have been a few commercial airline crashes in or near the Grand Canyon. In 1956 a United Airlines DC-7 and a TWA Constellation collided midair killing 128 people (http://consumerlawpage.com/article/aviate.shtml). At that time, planes were not required to file flight plans, and each was not aware the other plane was in the area. In 1986, a sightseeing helicopter and a twin-engine airplane collided over the canyon, killing 25 people. The helicopter was flying below the rim, and came up underneath the plane in such a way that neither craft saw the other. Flights are no longer permitted below rim level. After both crashes, new regulations were implemented to avoid similar crashes in the future. In 1995 a plane lost an engine, killing 8 (http://www-tech.mit.edu/V115/N3/briefs1.03w.html). That could happen anywhere. In 2001, a helicopter hit an outcropping of rock, killing 6 (http://www.lvrj.com/lvrj_home/2001/Aug-11-Sat-2001/news/16753135.html). There have been some other crashes involving non-commercial aircraft (private or military planes) in and near the Grand Canyon. I personally have flown between Las Vegas and the Grand Canyon several times in fixed-wing aircraft, just because it was the fastest way to get in & out. It tends to be a bumpy ride, but the scenery is great. Or you could go to the IMAX theatre and see it that way. |
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Re: Safety of helicopter / plane tour of Grand Canyon?
From: blusynapse-ga on 20 May 2002 23:40 PDT |
I saw a documentary on National Geographic recently about the same choppers you are talking about (in fact a lot of the show was dedicated to the Grand Canyon ones). Nat Geo had a lot of positive things to say about the safety of these machines, and personally, i was impressed with the amount of engineering that they explained had gone into making these vehicles ultra-silent, efficient, etc. i guess you can rest assured about the reliablilty of these crafts. i would =) |
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Re: Safety of helicopter / plane tour of Grand Canyon?
From: ginny-ga on 21 May 2002 08:06 PDT |
You may be interested in http://www.amigoingdown.com This site allows you to enter your flight information, and it gives you the probability of... well, you know. |
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Re: Safety of helicopter / plane tour of Grand Canyon?
From: richwig-ga on 21 May 2002 19:00 PDT |
Thanks once again to everyone for their comments. The answer from the responding answerer, plus other comments, gave me enough confidence to take a flight today. As I write I'm watching a video taken on board by the charter company, Maverick. I highly recommend them. They were very professional in every way. This was no ride with a guy chewing tobacco flying out of a small tin shack on a rusty old chopper. The comment above about the "amigoingdown.com" site was very interesting, but not at all germane to my query. I was asking about a helicopter charter. The site deals with fatality rates for scheduled commercial flights -- which is what my query wanted to COMPARE to, but Maverick and its competitors aren't in their radar screen. |
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