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Subject: Sending stuff to AOL
Category: Computers > Internet
Asked by: radioflyerx-ga
List Price: $5.00
Posted: 06 Mar 2003 09:15 PST
Expires: 05 Apr 2003 09:15 PST
Question ID: 172727
Whenever I send an attachment (even a simple Microsoft Word .doc file)
my friends with AOL say they cannot open it. It always turns into some
kind of "Mime" file and is lost forever. Is there a pretty-much
foolproof way of sending Documents as attachments so that even AOL
will open them? (No way I'm going to call those robotons at AOL)

Request for Question Clarification by jackburton-ga on 06 Mar 2003 11:13 PST
As an AOL (for mac) user myself, I remember being confused the first
time i encountered this same problem. Eventually I was forced to go to
the AOL website and trawl through their email FAQ's before i found out
what a MIME is and how to open one. Being a Mac user, i discovered i
simply had to drag the file onto the "Stuffit Expander" icon and then
the file was decoded. For Windows users, WinZip should do the trick,
but i have no experience with Windows and MIME's. If you have a Mac,
then this is what you do. For Windows users, I would assume one
double-clicks on the file, and if doesnt open, then select the
application "WinZip" to open it. If not, then it may help another
researcher (who has more knowledge) to know exactly which operating
system you are using. But i kinda doubt there is any way to get round
this problem, unless you change your ISP.
You may find this link useful:
http://www.lhup.edu/ablenet/Resources/mime.htm

Clarification of Question by radioflyerx-ga on 07 Mar 2003 10:24 PST
Does farzin-ga's response (below) refer to the AOL recipient? Or to
me, as a Mac user sending the attachment?
please clarify, somebody, because if it's to me, I don't understand
the solution

Request for Question Clarification by jackburton-ga on 07 Mar 2003 11:51 PST
I have just had a "techchat" or "live-help" (as it is now called!)
with AOL -- but they they were not at all helpful. I made it clear at
the end of the "chat" that i was *disappointed* with their lack of
knowledge. I suspect that this question may be better handled by
someone with programming knowledge. AOL could only refer me to their
technical support people. I'm afraid i cannot comment on farzin-ga's
advice. AND I am still unclear whether this a mac to pc problem, or
just a general one. Hopefully someone can enlighten us (?)

Request for Question Clarification by jackburton-ga on 07 Mar 2003 12:11 PST
In my second attempt to communicate with AOL, i received the following
response....
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A note from AOL tech support.**** Because our priority in AOL tech
support is to resolve our member's connection and AOL software
queries, we do not provide support in the use of third party programs
such as mime decoders. However, because we realise that our members
may receive mime files, we have produced this mail tutorial which
provides all the necessary information required to successfully and
easily open these file types.          Opening Zipped Files in Windows
95/98  Opening zipped files is actually
ChatAgentUK024:	quite straight forward. All that is required is that a
suitable zip decoder (WINZIP 8) is installed on the PC.  Zipped files
are created when more than one file is attached to an email. The
zipped (.zip) file will normally contain two or more pictures or
documents.    GETTING WINZIP 8  You will first need to install WINZIP
8.  Once you have installed winzip, you will be able to open .zip
files simply by double clicking on them.  To get winzip8:  1. Go to
keyword winzip.  2. Click on 'Get Winzip
ChatAgentUK024:	and PKZip now' (its the first option in the list).  3.
Double click on 'WinZip 8 Win 95/98/NT' (its the second option in the
new list).  4. Click on 'Download Now'.  5. Click on 'Save' (this will
save WINZIP 8 to your download folder).  6. When download is complete,
click on  your windows START button - PROGRAMS - WINDOWS  EXPLORER. 
7. Double click the AOL folder - double click the DOWNLOAD folder -
double click on the WINZIP80 file.  8. Click on SETUP - OK - NEXT -
YES - put a dot in WINZIP CLASSIC
ChatAgentUK024:	- click NEXT - click FINISH.  OPENING THE ZIPPED FILE 
 Now that WINZIP 8 has been installed, it will automatically open
zipped files when you double click on them. This is because Winzip8
has associated itself with the .zip file type during installation.  
So to open zipped encoded files now:  ---- Go to the AOL DOWNLOAD
folder, ---- (as described above) ---- and double click on the ZIPPED
file. ----   This will launch winzip and present a window displaying a
button called I Agree. You can read
ChatAgentUK024:	the agreement by clicking on View Evaluation License.
Once you have read this license agreement and agree to it, you can 
then close this window and click on I Agree. You will now see a box
containing the contents of your zipped file.   Double click on a
listed file and it will open in it's associated program. Once open,
these files can be saved to a location of choice by clicking on 'File'
and 'Save As' in the relevant program, or can be accessed by double
clicking the mime file in the download folder when
ChatAgentUK024:	required.  Further information regarding WINZIP 8 is
available at www.winzip.com  Also go to Keyword "MIME" for further
information on MIME files.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--- If this answers your question let me know. JB

Request for Question Clarification by feilong-ga on 07 Mar 2003 13:26 PST
Hi Radioflex,

Are the files (example: MS Word files) received by your friends appear
as "ATT00123.dat"?

- Feilong
Answer  
Subject: Re: Sending stuff to AOL
Answered By: cynthia-ga on 07 Mar 2003 16:07 PST
Rated:4 out of 5 stars
 
Hi radioflyerx-ga,

I remember when this happened to me. It's frustrating to not be able
to open files that a friend sends. Your friend has some learning to
do, there's no way around that. Without sitting at the receiving
computer to demonstrate what needs to be done, any answer will likely
be too complicated, but here goes...

In short:

1) There is nothing you can do during the send process that will make
your friends effort to open the attachments any easier.

2) Your friend needs an unzipping utility. This FREE utility will have
to be downloaded and then installed onto your friends computer, and
the options set (if not the default settings) so that the file types
you send will automatically trigger the opening of the utility. Then,
when your friend clicks on then attachment, the unzipper will do the
work with very little user intervention or prodding.

There's no way around downloading and installing this.

See this:

Why can't I open this email attachment? 
http://www.freeagent.com/advice/techtools/attach.asp
It's a bit complicated, but down near the bottom is this: ..."If a
file hasn't been decoded by your email program (it has a .mime, .zip,
.sit, or .hqx extension), Aladdin Expander or StuffIt Expander can
probably decode it..."

Your friend needs to download this to the DESKTOP:

Alladin Expander
http://www.stuffit.com/expander/
..."StuffIt Expander easily expands and decodes all those files you
download from the Web or receive in your email. It quickly accesses
StuffIt™ files, unzips zip files created by WinZip® and other zip
utilities, plus decompresses tar, gzip and bzip files for Unix users.
Just drag, drop, and you're done! Expander works seamlessly with Web
browsers such as Internet Explorer™ and Netscape™. From BinHex to zip,
StuffIt to MIME, Expander accesses more formats, in less time, with
zero hassles..."

Then, your friend need to install the program onto the hard drive by
double clicking the downloaded file that is easily located on the
DESKTOP. Follow the instructions to install it. Just tell your friend
to click "NEXT" all the way through to the end, then select FINISH if
that is an option.

If there is an option to select file type associations, be SURE your
friend selects, at a minimum, the file types that you try to send that
have been a problem in the past.

Then open attachments. If it still doesn't work, your friend will have
to learn how to save attachments to the hard drive and then DROP them
into the expander by placing the cursor over the file, right clicking
and while holding the button down, literally DRAGGING the file over to
the Expander icon, then releasing. Then, navigate to the expanded file
(most likely on the desktop next to the first one) and double click it
to open.

There is no way around the learning curve. farzin-ga's comment on 07
Mar 2003 09:30 PST, will work as well and may be MUCH easier until
your friend learns how to download, install and unzip. It was this:
     
..."The solution to your problem is to select the "Run this program 
from is current location" option when the "File Download" message
appears..."

When the attachment opens, your friend can RIGHT CLICK on the file and
SAVE it to the hard drive.

At your friends level of computer knowledge it's very difficult to
explain things without demonstrating. I sincerely hope this works for
you.


If your friend gets a pop-up box that asks what program to use, go to
this page:

Email Attachment that you can't open:
http://gwanderson.server101.com/Computer101/OpenWith.htm


This is for MACS:

Can't open email attachment??
http://www.mikegondek.com/creativetech/Stuffit/sit2.htm
The principles are the same no matter what type of computer you're
using:
..."So you've got an email file which won't open on the Mac. Happens
at Frankel everyday. Follow the 5 steps below, and in most cases you
can get it to work..."

--Cynthia
radioflyerx-ga rated this answer:4 out of 5 stars

Comments  
Subject: Re: Sending stuff to AOL
From: kriswrite-ga on 06 Mar 2003 11:46 PST
 
The problem is probably in how the AOL users are opening their email.
You might suggest that they download something like MonkeyZip (
http://download.com.com/3000-2250-2785227.html?tag=lst-0-1 ) to unzip
their files, instead of using AOL's build in Zip program. Otherwise,
documents should have no trouble "getting through," although sometimes
problems between a Mac and PC do occur (usually resulting in a
"scrambled" document).

Hope this helps,
kriswrite
Subject: Re: Sending stuff to AOL
From: steph53-ga on 06 Mar 2003 17:31 PST
 
My friend, who uses AOL, can never get any of my attachments when I
send them in an e-mail... she is a new internet user so to try to
explain all this to her would be overwhelming. For now, if I see her
on IM we can share files that way...but I give up with sending
attachments.
Subject: Re: Sending stuff to AOL
From: farzin-ga on 07 Mar 2003 09:30 PST
 
The solution to your problem is to select the "Run this program
from is current location" option when the "File Download" message appears.
Subject: Re: Sending stuff to AOL
From: farzin-ga on 14 May 2003 09:17 PDT
 
Dear radioflyerx-ga,
Yes, my comment does refer to you! (the comment I made earlier)
Subject: Re: Sending stuff to AOL
From: radioflyerx-ga on 14 May 2003 11:11 PDT
 
This question should have been closed out a month ago, but I can't
find the box to close it out with! So please do not answer this
question any longer, and if you know how to close it  out  could
someone please do it for me?

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