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Ethics of burning CDs and downloading music
Category: Relationships and Society Asked by: stressedmum-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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09 Mar 2003 17:31 PST
Expires: 08 Apr 2003 18:31 PDT Question ID: 174004 |
I'm just about to take delivery of an Apple Imac with all the bells and whistles one of which will enable me to burn CDs and DVDs. I don't want to steal anything, music included, and I was wondering what is a morally acceptable way of taking advantage of the machine's capabilities, music downloads on offer, etc. For example, could I, with a clear conscience, buy an artist's CD then burn myself a copy to play in the car and another one for the office while keeping the original up in the house, or is that a bad thing to do? (Knowing I'd never buy more than one copy anyway.) Or are there ways that I can download an artist's music off the internet for free knowing that there was some relationship between that website and the artist regarding royalties, etc. I'm an absolute novice to this whole CD burning game so please don't assume I am au fait with any of the etiquette involved in downloads. I just wanna do the right thing! I purposely nominated this under the 'Relationships and Society' category because I imagine that it's a moral dilemma rather than a computing or music dilemma. |
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Re: Ethics of burning CDs and downloading music
Answered By: robertskelton-ga on 09 Mar 2003 18:28 PST Rated: |
Hi there, Ultimately, in areas like this where there is basically zero chance of ever getting in trouble for your actions, it comes down to what feels right to you. From the wording of your question I believe that you wish to pay for albums on CD, but now that we have the technology to make back-ups, and copies for the car and work, it "feels right" for you to do so. And you are looking for some external validation. If you are only intending to make copies for personal use, then the only difference is that you get to listen to your music at work and in the car, and maybe someone else is there, hears it, likes it, buys it. If making copies means you hear the album more, maybe you will tire of it quicker and buy another CD sooner. The industry and the artist will not lose anything, but they might gain. So here goes - snippets on this topic I have found online, plus my own personal opinion. Single backups OK ----------------- Record companies say new CDs may allow for a single copy to be made, but will be in a locked format to prevent repeat copying and burning. "We need a minimal degree of copy protection to slow down frictionless trading of music," says Ted Cohen, EMI's vice president of new media. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=15990 Popular artist Moby says: ------------------------- "The music industry is going to continue to fall apart," he starts. "More and more people are burning CDs and downloading music and the end result is that the music industry keeps losing money. I think burning CDs is a lot more of a threat to the profitability of the music business than downloading. I think downloading is great. It allows people to experiment with music and listen to music that they otherwise wouldnt." "In many ways the record business has brought its troubles upon itself. Charging US$17 for a CD that costs them ten cents to make! Building in such exhorbitant profit margins, of course people are going to burn CDs. There is one really simple way for the record business to save itself, that is start selling CDs for US$5. If every CD were US$5 CD sales would sky rocket. Either the record industry will change itself or it will be changed by outside sources. Its going to fall apart no matter what." http://www.beat.com.au/beatcover.shtml ...Napster Experience (Transcript) ---------------------------------- Coversation between Dave Winer and a San Francisco audience. It's very long, but gives you lots of different points of view. http://seminars.seyboldreports.com/2000_san_francisco/files/04/04_transcript.html My Thoughts ----------- I can't speak for the population at large, but I am not sure that the decline in CD sales in the last couple of years is due to MP3s. Sure, many folk give burnt copies to their friends, but this has been happening since the 70s, except back then it was LPs and cassettes. I think the most likely reason is that teenagers and young adults are spending more money on video games, which means they have less dollars to spend on music. Contrary to initial publicity, CDs are quite easy to damage. For someone like myself, who likes some quite obscure music, and can get very attached to some albums, it is a no-brainer -I make backups to play, and keep the original safe. It's not just the cost of buying a replacement, it's that often the titles get deleted and it can be virtually impossible to replace them later on. I used to download MP3s a lot when Napster was all the rage. Most of my friends did the same. Typically I would just find a couple of tracks by a artist who intrigues me, play those tracks a lot, and if I liked them, I bought the CD. For all of us, our overall spending on CDs rose, and at the same time we avoided buying CDs that we would later regret. Search Strategy: "burning CDs" ethics Best wishes, robertskelton-ga |
stressedmum-ga
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Thanks very much to each of you, robertskelton and to snapanswer, for your research and your thoughts on this matter. It's an excellent answer and gave me the reassurance (i.e. validation) I was seeking that I wasn't doing something awful. It's interesting to read some of the industry's takes on the matter too. |
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Re: Ethics of burning CDs and downloading music
From: snapanswer-ga on 09 Mar 2003 21:28 PST |
What an interesting question and answer. I believe you both deserve credit for giving your thought and energy to this question. To further add to what robertskelton-ga has noted, I completely agree that making a copy for your own personal use is ethically sound, falling well within the "fair use doctrine" which I believe to be on a sound ethical footing. As long as you only use one copy at a time, and it remains for your personal use, I think you can rest with a clear conscience. I'm not sure what the current status of the law is, as the fair use doctrine has been under significant legal attack... however, ethically, I believe it remains sound. Also, these days there are music download services that charge you a subscription fee in order to compensate the recording industry for music. If you would rather download music, you can consider services like these: eMusic Service http://www.emusic.com/promo/mp3com/index.html PC Magazine: "Pay-And-Play Music Services" by Konstantinos Karagiannis http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,6802,00.asp An interesting free music site is the IUMA: Internet Underground Music Archive. These are MP3s from independent, unsigned bands who post their music for free use in an effort to promote their music. http://www.iuma.com/ Two other music sites that I enjoy are Launch.com (Music Videos) and Musicmatch.com, though these sites are not focused on downloaded music. They do offer free video and music streams. http://www.launch.com/ http://www.musicmatch.com/ I think the Moby quotes that robertskelton-ga cites raise an interesting issue, which is, whether or not you are ethically obliged to support the current music distribution oligopoly. Does the recording industry use unfair market practices to keep prices artificially high? Is the recording industry operated with the best interest of artists in mind? If you decide that the recording industry does not operate ethically, are you ethically bound to support it? Interesting things to think about. Still, I think the spirit of your question is based upon your desire to support artists, rather than steal from them, which is a good place to start. Finally, if you are interested in Copyright and Fair Use issues in the digital age, you may be interested in the work of Lawrence Lessig, a prominent Stanford Law School professor who is dedicated to these issues: TechTV: Big Thinkers: Lawrence Lessig on the corruption of the Internet http://www.techtv.com/bigthinkers/features/story/0,23008,3344681,00.html Lawrence Lessig's Web Site http://www.lessig.org/ |
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Re: Ethics of burning CDs and downloading music
From: maxhodges-ga on 10 Mar 2003 10:48 PST |
Copying Music to CD: The Right, the Wrong, and the Law by Robert A. Starrett Digital Producer: http://www.digitalproducer.com/2001/09_sep/features/09_24/cdlaw.htm Wired article of the subject with some interesting links: http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,54270-2,00.html |
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Re: Ethics of burning CDs and downloading music
From: modernker0uac-ga on 14 Apr 2003 18:44 PDT |
In my opinion, i will continue to download any information i feel i like. Its just like when i was a little kid and taped songs off the radio. The internet is a quicker and more permanent way of doing this. If an artist is worth it, yes, i go out and buy the cd, if i can find it. As far as the moral issue, if you decide to download a song, movie, etc, and you truly enjoy it, or feel as though you are obligated to support the artist, then you can send the average $0.99 to $2.00 that the average music artist makes per each album sold. That's right, the 17.99 you just spent on a CD, your favorite artist made $1.30 if they were lucky. Movies? Send each leading actor of the movie a check for $0.12. The other 5-7 dollars you spent on that movie ticket went to the theater itself and the company that released the film. |
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Re: Ethics of burning CDs and downloading music
From: macsux-ga on 12 Jun 2003 11:44 PDT |
I completely agreee with modernker0uac-ga. Record companies simply hold a monopoly and exploit artists. I have no moral problem with seeing them disappear all together since this will put all artists at a fair competetive level. For example, just because record company chose to promote Britney Spears makes her music better then many other artists nobody hear of? NO! I've hear hundreds of songs from unknown artists that are as good as or better then she is. Record companies create politics in this business and "create" music stars. The concept of CDs is outdated - there are plenty of artists who have 1 or 2 good songs, while the rest is crap. Why should I pay $17 for a CD that i only like 1 track from? I would much rather see music being free to download, and if you like it, there should be a site where you can make donations. I and many others would much rather make a donation then be forced to buy something. PS: Juicy discussion :) |
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Re: Ethics of burning CDs and downloading music
From: mr_j-ga on 15 Jul 2004 10:47 PDT |
I have a large CD collection (2,500+). The first thing I do when I buy a CD is to record it onto a portable hard drive. I back this drive up once a week to a second drive that I keep at my office. I also make CD's to listen to in my car. I have some valuable and rare CD's and I would be devastated if they were to be stolen out of my car, which is why I keep copies there. I think all of these things are legitimate uses. I buy the CD as a "backup" and it goes into a storage cabinet in the garage once it's recorded. I will lend CD's to friends if I think they may like the music, but not if I think they're going to copy the disc. I don't think the cost of CD's is a valid argument for stealing music. For example, I think BMW's are too expensive, but that doesn't give me the right to steal one, I just choose not to buy one instead. However, I also think the record companies are trying to be overly restrictive. If I want my music on a hard drive and I've bought it legally SO WHAT! If restrictive copy protection gets put on music, I'm going to stop buying it. I don't buy DVD's for that very reason--you pay $25 and within a week they get scratched and you're out of luck. |
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Re: Ethics of burning CDs and downloading music
From: banjobarry-ga on 22 Jul 2004 10:31 PDT |
Today there are several services for Legal music pay downloads--like Apple's now highly popular Itunes Music Store. All of the these downloads are $1 a song--a la carte or $10 an album www.apple.com/itunes There are also services by Sony, Musicmatch, Real Networks, and of course Napster (now legal to buy the songs). Napster and Itunes have the largest library and widest range of independant labels available! You can preview the songs to make sure you're paying for the right ones. I would recommend Itunes, because the program is so innovative and has the best features for any digital jukebox/music player and CD burning. You can make CD lables and check out all of the cool features, and more songs are added by Apple about every day. For Free music downloads (can be illegal) use WinMx because it doesn't have any spyware!!! Kazaa, Edonkey, Limewire, and other file swapping programs install spyware and other junk on your computer. Don't Use these programs unless you want pop-up ads and other slime crawling around inside your hard-drive. |
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Re: Ethics of burning CDs and downloading music
From: fafco-ga on 09 Mar 2005 06:38 PST |
The best site for free and totally legal music downloads is www.MPFree.com. They have more than 500,000 tracks from all of the major labels and they're all free. No credit card required and nothing to buy. Check it out: http://www.MPFree.com |
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