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pinkfreud or tehuti-ga please
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: badabing-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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11 Mar 2003 10:17 PST
Expires: 10 Apr 2003 11:17 PDT Question ID: 174695 |
could you ladies answer me a style question? in a medical setting, what's the correct way to write ... the patient has a "1 in 10" chance of developing xxxx ... 1:10? 1/10 one-in-ten chance? percent? decimal point? thanks for the second opinion, GB |
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From: pinkfreud-ga on 11 Mar 2003 10:25 PST |
I like "one-in-ten chance," but that's strictly my personal take on the matter. Spelling the words in full seems better to me. Likewise, I would write "one chance in ten," not "1 chance in 10." I generally prefer to see the numerals zero through ten spelled out. I'll check with some medhead friends, and do a little Web dancing, and get back to you. ~Pink |
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From: badabing-ga on 11 Mar 2003 10:38 PST |
thanks, I'm sure you're right for clarity sake. no hurry, but I would like a consensus, if I can get one. comments, especially from medicofolk, are most appreciated. |
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From: pinkfreud-ga on 11 Mar 2003 10:38 PST |
Here's a style guide that might be useful: IEEE Computer Society http://www.computer.org/author/style/numbers.htm |
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From: aceresearcher-ga on 11 Mar 2003 11:18 PST |
Granny, For what it's worth, I concur with Pink. Ace |
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From: markj-ga on 11 Mar 2003 11:28 PST |
The results of my unscientific survey: The following Google search terms produced the associated number of "hits" (comnbining hyphenated and unhyphenated results): "1 in 10 chance" = 2160 hits "one in ten chance" = 1330 hits "one in 10 chance" = 656 hits "one chance in ten" = 837 hits "one chance in 10 = 1060 hits "1 chance in 10 = 691 hits markj-ga |
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From: magnesium-ga on 11 Mar 2003 11:33 PST |
I am not a medico, but I would rather see "a ten percent chance" than "a one-in-ten chance." The latter sounds a bit colloquial to me, as if one is talking about gambling odds rather than scientific ratios. |
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From: markj-ga on 11 Mar 2003 11:39 PST |
"10 percent chance" = 4750 "ten percent chance" = 841 |
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From: ac67-ga on 11 Mar 2003 11:40 PST |
As a pediatrician, I can tell you how I normally see it in text books, journal articles, etc. Typically it will be given as percent, unless a very small number, then usually as 1 in xxxx. An example from a text in front of me right now: "large or giant congenital nevi, those measuring greater than 20 cm, present in 1 in 20,000 newborns, are believed to have an estimated 6.3% lifetime risk for developing malignant melanoma." This example uses both forms in one sentence! In discussing frequencies of diseases (incidence or prevalence), they are often expressed as number/1,000 or per 100,000, etc., such as 100/1000 which equals 1 in 10. Again this would more likely be used for smaller numbers. That's for formal writing. For patient information, it depends on the audience, but the general advice is to express it in no higher than 5th-8th grade level, so may be 1 in 10 or perhaps 10% - no hard and fast rules there, just what would be understood by the readers. |
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From: tehuti-ga on 11 Mar 2003 11:58 PST |
Hello Granny, I would probably use percent in a scientific context, and also favour "risk" over "chance" as in "A person with a parent or sibling with schizophrenia has approximately a 10 percent risk of developing the disorder compared to a 1 percent risk for a person with no family history of schizophrenia." http://www.insideschizophrenia.com/someone.html I don't think it really matters whether you spell it out or use 10% (but Google seems to ignore special characters, so I had to spell it out to find an example!!!) For general consumption, I would probably say something like, "One in every ten patients will develop... " |
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From: badabing-ga on 11 Mar 2003 12:10 PST |
thanks for the edification, doc! I was hoping a white coat would float by. your text examples were very helpful. I did go with 1 in 10 as it seemed the easiest to read on an informal document, although I started having second thoughts. 5th to 8th grade, huh? thanks everyone for taking an interest in this question. your comments are so very much appreciated! |
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From: pinkfreud-ga on 11 Mar 2003 12:12 PST |
I've never really liked the "one in every ten..." usage. My friend Sarah Jane had triplets, and she was very concerned to read that "one in every three babies born in the United States is illegitimate." Sarah Jane can't figure out which one. ;-) |
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From: badabing-ga on 11 Mar 2003 12:16 PST |
put that in the answer field, pinkie. I have my informal, formal, and humorous answers now. ;-) |
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From: jackburton-ga on 11 Mar 2003 13:52 PST |
...patient most likely has a one in ten chance of developing "X" ...a possible one in ten chance of patient developing "X" ...my personal recommendation is that the patient should be aware that he/she has a strong chance of overcoming "X". Should treatment fail, patient should be made aware he/she has a one in ten chance of developing "X". ....prognosis of patient's condition is not optimistic. It should be made clear to said patient that he/she has a one to ten chance of developing "X" do NOT use digits, dashes, symbols or equations, unless it is provided in a separate report (i.e. blood test, scan etc). ...I'm no MD -- these are just my own suggestions based on the TV series "Diagnosis Murder" : ) |
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From: quicktype-ga on 12 Mar 2003 08:39 PST |
As a medical transcriptionist, if it were dictated as "the patient has a one in ten chance," I would transcribe "1 in 10 chance." Per the AAMT Book of Style, numerals are to be used rather than spelling it out whenever possible. just my 0.02! |
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