I want all the known information concerning Johnny Palmer, a
professional lightweight fighter from Columbus, Ohio who fought in the
late 1950s and early 1960s as to who he fought; his won/lost record;
where he fought; and, what his ranking was in the top ten, if any.

Thanks for your question.

According to the Boxing Record Archives site at:

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=015953

Johnny Palmer, a lightweight from Columbus, Ohio, had an 0-4
professional record as follows:


4/12/1958 against Angel (Robinson) Garcia in Havana, Cuba.  Garcia, an
experienced fighter, had a 28-3 record, but Palmer went 10 rounds, and
lost by decision.  The rest of his short career, however, wasn't quite
as auspicious.

1/19/1960 against Solomon Boysaw (with a 22-1 record) in Akron, Ohio;
Palmer lost by KO in the second round.
 
Palmer fought twice against Len Matthews (34-8-3), once on 4/26/1962
and again on 5/28/1952, both times in Philadelphia.  He lost both
fights by a KO, in the 1st and 3rd rounds, respectively.

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A check on another boxing archives site at:

http://www.boxing-records.com/

had no records for Johnny Palmer.

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It is certainly possible that Palmer fought more than four
professional fights in his career, but if so, they did not make into
the internet record books.

I also checked old newspaper and magazine articles but again, there
was no additional information to be had beyond the four fights listed
above.  And it is certainly unlikely (I'd go so far as to say
"practically impossible") that Palmer was ranked as a lightweight
given the record shown.

If you have reason to believe Palmer had a more extensive career than
is indicated by his 0-4 record, please post a Request for
Clarification with any additional information you have.  With some new
leads in hand, I'll be glad to continue my hunt.

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Request for Answer Clarification by xxxldaddy2000-ga on 12 Mar 2003 18:30 PST

The sites on the Internet have already been checked by me.I know for a
fact Johnny Palmer had far more than four fights. That's why I posted
this question. If you know anything at all about boxing, you have to
readily agree it is very difficult to believe that a fighter from
Columbus, Ohio would go to Cuba for his first fight to fight a boxer
known throughout the boxing world at the time. Moreover, it is
incredulous that Palmer would fight a world class fighter like Len
Mathews in Palmer's third and fourth fights with only two previous
fights. I expected an answer from sources far beyond those on the
Internet sites since they are clearly incomplete except for the very
best known fighters. Do you have other sources, or, are you kidding?

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Clarification of Answer by pafalafa-ga on 12 Mar 2003 18:53 PST

OK.  Give me a few days to track down some additional information and
I'll get back to you with an update....no kidding!

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Clarification of Answer by pafalafa-ga on 12 Mar 2003 18:56 PST

Whooops.  I guess it's too late now for a clarification, since the
answer is already rated and closed.  Sorry to leave you feeling so
unhappy about it -- had you given me the chance to respond in more
detail, I'm sure I could have gotten you the information you were
looking for.

The "researcher" who "answered" my question did no more than spend a
few quick minutes on www.boxrec.com and simply fleshed out the 4-entry
record listed there. I had already reviewed that page and knew
immediately that the information was incomplete. In fact, the
incomplete record listed there was the impetus to post my question on
Goolges Answers. As I explained in detail in my prior e-mail to you,
anyone with even a cursory knowledg of boxinwould readily recognize
the posted record as incomplete. I expected information from archives
not on the Internet since those are readily available to me for free.

Actually, 1 star is more than the "answer" deserves. The "answer" was
one known to me already and one easily accesssed by any Internet user.
In its present form, the "answer" is no more than a cheap hustle! I am
shocked that "Google" allows such behavior. I will post no more
questions on this service.

xxxldaddy2000,

On questions like this, the final answer is often arrived at by a
dialogue between the Researcher and the Customer. We have no way to
determine what you already do and do not know, therefore, we will
sometimes present a chunk of information and ask if we are headed in
the right direction before continuing. As Pafalafa stated, he
considered his answer to be a good starting point, and was willing to
continue with some feedback from you. Pafalafa is an excellent
Researcher and, had you allowed him to continue, you would very likely
have received a through and satisfying answer.

I understand that such an experience can be frustrating, but I hope
that this will not sour you on Google Answers permanently. Researchers
like Pafalafa take the quality of their answers very seriously and
would never deliberately "hustle" a customer.

Best regards,

- Hammer

I don't think it's fair to characterize Pafalafa as a hustler - he did
exactly what every other Researcher does.  He answered the question as
asked.  Pafalafa's high quality work is well known hereabouts, to the
point where he's had several questions directed specifically at him. 
I'm quite certain that if you had simply engaged in dialogue with him
to let him know what information you already had, he would have been
able to find much more information.

It's very helpful to the Researchers when a question clearly spells
out what information a customer already has - it prevents duplication
of information, and lets the Researcher know where not to look.

--M

Since the question did not specify that an expert in boxing was
required, and merely requested information (which was provided by the
researcher,) I think the insulting rating is very harsh.

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