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NUANCE OF SAYING "HELLO"
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: cryptica-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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11 Mar 2003 18:26 PST
Expires: 10 Apr 2003 19:26 PDT Question ID: 174922 |
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Re: NUANCE OF SAYING "HELLO"
Answered By: tutuzdad-ga on 21 Mar 2003 08:48 PST Rated: |
Dear cryptica-ga; Thank you for selecting my research as the most likley origin for the phrase. This has been a lot of fun for all of us. I can now trace the use of the term hello as a means of pointing out ones apparent ignorance, back even father than the 1985 movie BACK TO THE FUTURE, which I posted earlier. In 1977, when Bill Murray joined the cast of Saturday Night Live, he became a part of a recurring skit as a nerdy high school kid named Todd de la Muca. "Todd", in pursuit of his love interest (Gilda Radners hard-to-look-at and equally nerdy character) Lisa Loobner, frequently flirted in very obnoxious immature ways. In almost every skit, when Lisa would say something goofy or Todd simply wanted to have physical contact with her, hed place her in a headlock and knock on her head with his nuckles. He called these "love taps" noogies and hed often shout "Hell-OHHHHHHH! into the top of her head while he was doing it. Remember that? As you know, SNL was responsible establishing a lot of fads among young an entire generation (or more) of young people and many of them remain popular, or at least readily recognizable, to this day ("Ex-cuuuse Me!", "Land-shark!", "Ham-boogie", "Happy feet", and many of more from the "Wayne's World" and "Church Lady" skits just to name a few). I seriously doubt anyone can place an actual verifiable instance of the use of this word for these specific purposes farther back than this early example. Regards; Tutuzdad-ga |
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You doggedly pursued this one and get 5 stars for that alone. Thanks to everyone else. I'm sorry to say "Goodbye" to "Hello." |
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Re: NUANCE OF SAYING "HELLO"
From: pinkfreud-ga on 11 Mar 2003 20:22 PST |
I agree that this is probably more recent than the Valspeak era of Moon Unit Zappa. I associate it with the same Generation Y kids who say "Well, duh!" and (in a bored and uninterested voice) "Whatever." The first time I can recall hearing this pronunciation of "hello" was in the 1995 movie "Clueless," when the airheaded Dionne says to her friend "Hello? There was a stop sign back there." |
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Re: NUANCE OF SAYING "HELLO"
From: tutuzdad-ga on 11 Mar 2003 20:29 PST |
It was also a significant line of the character "Biff" in BACK TO THE FUTURE (1985 - and later sequals '89 & '90). He'd bang on the top of McFly's head and ask "Hel-lo? McFly?" Remember that one? tutuzdad-ga |
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From: pinkfreud-ga on 11 Mar 2003 20:32 PST |
By golly, tutuzdad is right. That's a whole decade earlier than "Clueless." Maybe it does go back to Valley Girl days. |
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Re: NUANCE OF SAYING "HELLO"
From: angy-ga on 11 Mar 2003 21:34 PST |
We used to say "Hel -LOH ? Anybody home?" - in the sense of "Did you think before you spoke?" in at least the sixties (England). |
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Re: NUANCE OF SAYING "HELLO"
From: mathtalk-ga on 11 Mar 2003 23:12 PST |
I see this as an artifact of the telephone era. One says "Hello" in an expectant yet frustrated manner to test for presence at the other end of a phone line. The sarcasm implied in the usage at issue here is that one "sees" a physical person before them yet "doubts" their (mental) presence. regards, mathtalk |
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Re: NUANCE OF SAYING "HELLO"
From: neilzero-ga on 12 Mar 2003 08:22 PST |
All good coments. When we answer the phone "hello" we are starting a new conversation. Perhaps the new kind of hello sometimes signifies "let's erase what we just said and start analyzing this topic from the beginning" Neil |
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Re: NUANCE OF SAYING "HELLO"
From: cryptica-ga on 12 Mar 2003 08:27 PST |
Maybe we'll never be able to pinpoint it. A friend just reminded me of the old TV series, "MR. ED" (anyone here old enough to remember that one?), where Mr. Ed, the horse, would say, "HELL-oh!" Accent on the HELL. And then maybe this isn't truly American in origin. Maybe exasperated French people say, "BonJOURRRR!" |
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Re: NUANCE OF SAYING "HELLO"
From: dogsofdoom-ga on 12 Mar 2003 09:42 PST |
It is, I'm pretty sure, as people have said. By saying the word in that context, you are asking if anybody is home upstairs, if any vaguely sensible thoughts might be knocking around up there. |
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Re: NUANCE OF SAYING "HELLO"
From: johnfrommelbourne-ga on 13 Mar 2003 05:44 PST |
Over here in Australia we use exactly the same tone, sarcasm and drawn out pronounciation as questioner has showed with emphasis on the last syllable, just the same as in USA apparently. Most people here would take it to mean exactly as Dogsof... has said, that is "Is their any sign of life in that brain of yours and can it be raised somehow if I speak directly to it". As far as I can remember I first heard it around the mid-nineties. |
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Re: NUANCE OF SAYING "HELLO"
From: badabing-ga on 14 Mar 2003 15:22 PST |
I think it was Adrienne Barbeau's character in "Escape from New York." However, if Mr. Ed said it, that would probably predate EfNY. I think Adrienne Barbeau was also the voice of Mr. Ed, if I'm not mistaken. <snort> |
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From: cryptica-ga on 14 Mar 2003 17:57 PST |
Ah, but Mr. Ed said HELL-oh, as opposed to the Hell--OHHHHH that I'm looking for. How did Adrienne Barbeau say it? "Escape from New York" was released in 1981, the first "Back to the Future" (Tutuzdad-ga's entry) was 1985. It's kinda hard to believe "Escape from New York" launched it, though -- how many people SAW that movie? Not that Adrienne Barbeau isn't a major draw, of course. |
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Re: NUANCE OF SAYING "HELLO"
From: tutuzdad-ga on 14 Mar 2003 18:32 PST |
The New Oxford Dictionary Of English reminds us that the British use the work hello as an expression of surprise (as in, Hello, what's all this then?). It indicates that the origin is from the late 19th century variant of the earlier word hollo (related to HOLLA). Here we are offered a different meaning of the word (may be true, maybe not): http://www.youyim.com/uboard/unityboard/Question.asp?GID=29 H = How are you? E = Everything all right? L = Like to hear from you L = Love to see you soon O = Oh, and don't forget to write... Oddly enough, the word Hello has a different meaning in China (not the Chinese version of the word, but the English version): http://web.mit.edu/mit-ceti/www/intranet/teams/1999/chengdu/news-7.10.html the word "Hello" is to advertise to a foreigner whatever one has to sell and to assure the foreigner that he or she is dealing with a professional. One can hear for example: "Hello T-shirt!" which translates into "Hey you, the strange looking, I have some T-shirts to sell and my language skills are sufficient for us to bargain!". "Hello certificates!" "Hello water!" all work the same way. Here is another nuance listed on the same page, but it is not exclusive to China as we have all experienced. The term, Hello, among strangers is a polite generic name when a name suddenly becomes necessary but is not known. If you saw someone drop his wallet for example, you might say, Hello! Sir?, in order to gain his attention or you might just quietly cover it with your foot and wait for him to walk off, depending on your integrity, of course, but thats another matter: "Hello" is also a universal name for foreigners. You can hear (and see, as most of the communication is non verbal) "Hello" in contexts like "Come here, Hello, and have a picture taken with us. No, it is not a problem, Hello, that we do not know one another: we still want a picture with you, Hello!" As for the word hello itself, well, it DID begin with the telephone, but the telephone did not begin with IT. You see, in the 1870s Alexander Graham Bell (born in Scotland) had visions of beginning each telephone call with the greeting A-hoy (a more modern and accepted version of the Gealic, Hoy, hoy!) but people couldnt get down with that so didnt last long. Because many phone lines of the time were always open, one needed to say something to see if anyone else was in fact listening. Eventually, the word Hello? became the simple question on asked in order to inquire whether another was hearing your voice. It was long believed that Edison himself coined the word we use today. This was confirmed in the 1980s, when a scholar named Allen Koenigsberg discovered a letter from Edison to Mr. T.B.A. David, President of Pittsburgh's Central District and Printing Telegraph Company dated August 15, 1877. In it, Edison included the first known written use of the word "hello." This is believed to have come from the phrase Halloo which was used as a call by ferryboat captains. It may be (my speculation) that Edison used this word in error, thinking mistakenly perhaps, that this was Bells practice since the two phrases do have nautical origins. Interestingly, about the same time, the Hello badge was invented. (You know, the convention name tag that boldly says Hello! My Name is Bob?). Ad it happens, this fancy little item first appeared on the lapels of people attending a convention at Niagra Falls. Guess what kind of convention it was drum roll please thats right, The Niagara Falls, Telephone Operators Convention, September 1880. TODAY IN TECHNOLOGY http://www.tecsoc.org/pubs/history/2002/aug15.htm ALL THINGS CONSIDERED http://www.cs.uh.edu/~klong/papers/hello.txt Regards; Tutuzdad-ga |
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From: badabing-ga on 15 Mar 2003 08:23 PST |
nah, cryptica, I was just kidding with ya. there were several todayism phrases in that movie though. if I recall rightly "ya think?" was in there during the battle on the bridge scene, uttered (uddered?) by Ms. Barbeau. music was decent in that film though, eh? and it has quite the cult following. hope someone is able to track down your answer. |
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Re: NUANCE OF SAYING "HELLO"
From: tutuzdad-ga on 15 Mar 2003 12:22 PST |
Dear cryptica-ga: After much looking I finally found the portion of the script to the movie, BACK TO THE FUTURE. These were the actual lines spoken by the character "Biff" to the character "George McFly" in the movie as early as 1985 with regard to this specific usage of the word "hello" as you mentioned: "Biff: Hey McFly, what do you think you're doing. Marty: Biff. Biff: Hey I'm talking to you, McFly, you Irish bug. George: Oh hey, Biff, hey, guys, how are you doing? Biff: Yeah, you got my homework finished, McFly? George: Uh, well, actually, I figured since it wasn't due till Monday- Biff: Hello, hello, anybody home? Think, McFly, think. I gotta have time to recopy it. Do you realize what would happen if I hand in my homework in your handwriting? I'd get kicked out of school. You wouldn't want that to happen would you, would you?" Back To The Future - Transcript Produced by Bob Gale & Neil Canton Screenplay by Robert Zemeckis & Bob Gale Directed by Robert Zemeckis Transcribed by ESD;SISRF http://www.angelfire.com/de/esd/Back2Fut.html Regards; tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: NUANCE OF SAYING "HELLO"
From: cryptica-ga on 15 Mar 2003 13:27 PST |
Badabing, I know you was funnin' me. Just don't let Adrienne Barbeau see this. And Tutuzdad, you certainly are on the verge of collecting the research fee. . .but i hate to close this down quite yet, since there still seems to be some dialogue going on on this topic. |
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Re: NUANCE OF SAYING "HELLO"
From: pinkfreud-ga on 15 Mar 2003 14:15 PST |
The scene in "Back to the Future" quoted by tutuzdad is set in the 1950s. That leads to speculation that this usage of "hello" may date to that era (or at least that screenwriters Bob Zemeckis and Bob Gale thought it did.) Obviously "hel-LOOO" has a lengthy history. I'm baffled that I can't recall hearing it until the '90s. I guess sometimes it takes a long time for slang to reach an old lady in Oklahoma. ;-) |
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Re: NUANCE OF SAYING "HELLO"
From: tutuzdad-ga on 20 Mar 2003 17:44 PST |
Dear cryptica-ga; I can now trace the use of the term hello as a means of pointing out ones apparent ignorance, back even father than the 1985 movie BACK TO THE FUTURE, which I posted earlier. In 1977, when Bill Murray joined the cast of Saturday Night Live, he became a part of a recurring skit as a nerdy high school kid named Todd de la Muca. "Todd", in pursuit of his love interest (Gilda Radners hard-to-look-at and equally nerdy character) Lisa Loobner, frequently flirted in very obnoxious immature ways. In almost every skit, when Lisa would say something goofy or Todd simply wanted to have physical contact with her, hed place her in a headlock and knock on her head with his nuckles. He called these "love taps" noogies and hed often shout "Hell-OHHHHHHH! into the top of her head while he was doing it. Remember that? As you know, SNL was responsible establishing a lot of fads among young an entire generation (or more) of young people and many of them remain popular, or at least readily recognizable, to this day ("Ex-cuuuse Me!", "Land-shark!", "Ham-boogie", "Happy feet", and many of more from the "Wayne's World" and "Church Lady" skits just to name a few). I seriously doubt anyone can place an actual verifiable instance of the use of this word for these specific purposes farther back than this early example. Regards; Tutuzdad-ga |
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