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Subject: Slate tile installation
Category: Family and Home > Home
Asked by: munkeyboy-ga
List Price: $5.00
Posted: 12 Mar 2003 15:44 PST
Expires: 11 Apr 2003 16:44 PDT
Question ID: 175350
I want to install natural slate (12x12) tiles in my bathroom - floor
and walls.  There is ceramic tile on the floor / walls at this time.

How do I remove the old tiles?
How do I prepare the floor and walls for the new tile?
What do I use to adhere the tiles to the floor and wall?
What tools do I need?
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Subject: Re: Slate tile installation
Answered By: clouseau-ga on 12 Mar 2003 17:09 PST
 
Hello munkeyboy,

Thank you for your question. 

HandymanUSA says:
http://www.handymanusa.com/questions/floortileq.html

"Removing Ceramic Tile 

How hard is it to remove ceramic tile, and what would be the
procedure? I would like to replace smaller 8x8 tiles with larger
13x13, if it's not too difficult.

Removing ceramic tile is easy. Take a hammer and break it. The mortar
underneath will break along with the tile. Once the tile is removed
just measure out the area and layout the tile and going to a larger
size tile should be alright."

So we have an easy method of beginning to prepare for you new slate.

Home Depot also notes:
http://www.growinglifestyle.com/article/s0/a26226.html

Removing Ceramic Tile 
Damaged or loose ceramic tile must be completely removed. Don't bother
trying to salvage the old tiles. Just bust 'em up and chip away the
pieces. Of course that can be easier said than done, depending on how
the tile was installed.

Tools  
 Ball-peen or masonry hammer 
 Cold chisel 
 Floor scraper 
 Safety goggles 
 Face mask 
 Prybar 
 SanderCircular saw 
 
See the steps recommended at the site above.


As to installation:

FlooringSlate.net
http://www.flooringslate.net/how_to_install_a_slate_tile_floor.htm

How to install a slate tile floor. How to books. 
1. Clean both the surface of the floor you are going to lay the tile
on and the surface of the tile that will be in contact with the floor.
2. Determine if you want to have the 1/4" grout space that most tiles
have been precut for.

3. If you do want the grout, find a 1/4" wide spacer to use to lay the
tile out with.

4. Lay all of your tiles out in the area that you want to cover.  Do
not apply any adhesives yet.  Just make sure you have all of the tiles
where you want them.

5. Mix a bag of Thin-Set Mortar Mix.  This can be found at almost any
hardware store or Home Depot.

6. Carefully lift each tile and place the mortar mix in the floor
where the tile goes.  Remember it is okay to be generous with the Thin
Set because if your floor happens to be just a bit uneven you can
fudge it a bit and you can always wipe away extra mix.

7. Once you have laid all of the flooring tiles with the mix, double
check to make sure that the 1/4" space is correct, before the tiles
and mix set.

8. Fill in the 1/4" grout space with the grout of your choice.  Almost
any grout will work.

9.  Let the floor and the grout sit for 12 to 24 hours to make sure it
sets.

10. Just a recommendation, but if you have some heavy books, like a
how to book you just used, to sit on the tiles, this will help them to
better set.

 
More detailed instructions are available here:
http://www.flooringslate.net/installing_tile_flooring.htm

CameraSlate has another page of installation instructions:
http://www.camaraslate.com/installation.htm

And one more excellent tutorial can be found at Structural Slate:
http://www.structuralslate.com/interior.html

This is very detailed and contains thoughts and tips not on the other
pages listed above.


Search Strategy:

removing +"ceramic tile"

install +"slate tile"

I trust my research has provided you with instructions and guidelines
for your project. If a link above should fail to work or anything
require further explanation or research, please do post a Request for
Clarification prior to rating the answer and closing the question and
I will be pleased to assist further.

Regards,

-=clouseau=-

Request for Answer Clarification by munkeyboy-ga on 13 Mar 2003 10:20 PST
What about installation on the walls?

Clarification of Answer by clouseau-ga on 13 Mar 2003 11:09 PST
Hello again,


FlooringSlate.net says:

What can set off a room more dramatically than tile-on floors of
course, but up walls, around windows and doors-wherever ceramics can
go, including some places you haven't thought about. Using ordinary
tools and keeping special purchases to a minimum, you can do your own
tiling of durable and beautiful spaces that are inexpensive and simple
to install. It's easy to learn the various categories and types of
tile, including different glazes, hardness, and grades, for both field
and trim. The starting-out tools and techniques sections cover
measuring and marking, cutting, grouts, adhesives, and substrate
materials. The come considerations of joints, moisture barriers, and
setting techniques, from mixing and applying the thin set, to mixing
and spreading the adhesive, followed by setting times and clean-up
procedures.

They recommend this book:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0806961155/slatevalleyco-20/102-1697660-5444126

Available at Amazon for only 12.57

Rock Unique has an interesting page with some tips on slate on walls:
http://www.rock-unique.com/chancery_court_health_spa.htm

There is a question posted here:
http://www.ceramic-tile.com/tileman.htm?month=10&year=2002


Dear Tile Man! 1. You are the best. 2. I searched archives and still
have ??? 3. I would like to use slate tile on the walls in the alcove
for commercial gas stove (Viking). (a) What adhesive should I use? Is
mix of Master Blend Custom Flex Ultra Strength and Acrylic Mortar has
enough heat resistance? (You mention Laticrete earlier but I can find
any retail suppliers in DFW area.) (b) In the showroom they didn’t use
any grout for slate tile. What grout should I use? (c) What sealant is
the best? Thank you. Natasha

TILE MAN'S ANSWER  
10-24-2002 - 09:27 pm  

  Dear Natasha, Thanks for your kind words. Understood it all but
don't know what slate... there are many variations and densities. I'll
assume you've got a great quality vitrified(glass-like) high quartz
content / class 1 slate. Custom Building Products (CBP)are just fine,
but you can and should use one with the already acrylic dry components
- either Flexbond or CFlexPro will do it well for you and no liquid
acrylic / latex admix is needed. You can use CBP sanded grout... I
recommend natural grey... don't try to add the grout as a design
element. natural grey, cement colour is most common for masonary work
and looks most natural...Hmmmm maybe that's why they call it 'natural'
grey grout? For sealing, again use CBP products to make it easy...
just a penetrating silicate sealer such as 'Surfacegard' sealer will
do fine. You are welcome.


You also might find this page helpful:
http://www.411homerepair.com/ideas/Kitchen_Bath/KitchenWallTile.shtml

Installing Kitchen Wall Tile 

Installing wall tile in the kitchen between the backsplash and the
wall cabinets is an easy task to accomplish. Tile stands up to the
necessary cleaning behind a range or cutting board better than paint
and is very economical.

To start with, we have to make a few design decisions. The first one
is to select the tile that appeals to you. This is the part of the
project that I can't help you with. Unless I receive orders to the
contrary, I normally stick with white or off-white. The color you
choose for the grout should complement the tile color. I normally go
with (big surprise) off-white. Others like a dark grout to make the
grout lines stand out.

The third design decision is the space that you will allow between the
tile. I prefer tight grout lines in the kitchen (1/16") but wider
lines (1/8" - 3/16") in the bath. The width of the grout line will
determine whether you need sanded or non-sanded grout. Non-sanded
grout should only be used when the grout will fill a gap 3/16" or
smaller. Sanded grout may also be used on 3/16" grout lines but
nothing smaller.

Preparation 

The wall where you are placing your tile should be clean and free of
debris. It also needs to be fairly straight. Beyond leveling the
surface, the amount of surface preparation necessary will depend on
the tile adhesive you use and the amount of abuse that the tiles will
receive. The example in the photos for this project is simply drywall
with a coat of latex primer. The tile adhesive we used was purchased
from a local hardware store, nothing special. Check the mastic's label
to make sure that it is compatible with your surface...

...Adhesive 

For most backsplashes, a wall-grade mastic is generally sufficient.
Mastic is nice to work with as it has a longer open time than thinset.
Normal wall tile will hold nicely with mastic but some stone tiles
need special adhesives. Marble is a good example.

Put the adhesive on the wall 

The adhesive goes onto the wall with the notched trowel. I used a
trowel w/ 1/4" notches for the job so that the "Corn Rows" would show
up. You should probably use one with smaller grooves for 4"x4" tile.
When applying the adhesive, use the flat edge to apply a layer of
adhesive first. Next, hold the trowel at a 45 degree angle to the wall
and "comb" the mastic out. The result should be nice even "corn rows"
of adhesive (picture at left). Don't get too far ahead of yourself,
only put up as much adhesive on as you can cover in the next several
minutes, especially if you have to cut the tile as you go...

So stone tile is addressed in this article and might provide the tips
you require.

I hope this is infomative for you.

Regards,

-=clouseau=-
Comments  
Subject: Re: Slate tile installation
From: pugwashjw-ga on 12 Mar 2003 23:45 PST
 
HI! MUNKEYBOY, FAR BE IT FOR ME TO RAIN ON CLOUSEAU`S PARADE, I WOULD
STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT YOU LET THE CEMENT SET FOR A DAY OR SO [ AS
CLOUSEAU SAYS] BUT PLEASE DONT TRY AND GROUT AT THE SAME TIME. ONE
SMALL SLIP AND ALL YOUR HARD WORK CAN BE UNDONE. HARDWARE STORES SELL
CROSS SHAPED SPACERS TO MAINTAIN REGULARITY OF THE GAPS. LAY YOUR
TILE, LET THEM SET ABOUT AN HOUR THEN GENTLY GENTLY PULL THE SPACERS.
COME BACK NEXT DAY WHEN THE WHOLE JOB IS FIRM AND YOU WILL FIND YOU
CAN WALK ALL OVER THEM AS YOU DO THE GROUTING. HAPPY TILING.

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