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Subject:
Aphorisms
Category: Science Asked by: karshish-ga List Price: $5.00 |
Posted:
14 Mar 2003 21:47 PST
Expires: 13 Apr 2003 22:47 PDT Question ID: 176425 |
Who was it (was it the late C.E.M. Joad?) who paraphrased the 2nd law of thermodynamics as, "You don't get nothing for nowt... and precious little for 2/6" (2shillings and 6 pence) |
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Subject:
Re: Aphorisms
From: leli-ga on 15 Mar 2003 10:51 PST |
No luck finding your quote, I'm afraid, but some people on the net describe the first law as "you can't/don't get owt for nowt" ://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=thermodynamics+%22owt+for+nowt%22+OR+%22owt+fer+nowt%22&btnG=Google+Search&meta= I hope someone will be able to take this further! Leli |
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Re: Aphorisms
From: karshish-ga on 15 Mar 2003 16:23 PST |
Thanks, Leli. I would have thought the 2nd law was more apposite since you have to do work to push energy up hill, however, I defer to your sources. Maybe Joad just added the "... and precious little for 2/6" bit to an ancient anonymous piece of scientific Joulery. |
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Re: Aphorisms
From: xarqi-ga on 15 Mar 2003 18:23 PST |
FWIW: Law 1: You can't win. Law 2: You can't even break even. Law 3: You can't even get out of the game! |
Subject:
Re: Aphorisms
From: leli-ga on 16 Mar 2003 05:06 PST |
Thanks to xarqi, for the neat summary. Apparently, this originated with CP Snow: "The British scientist and author C.P. Snow had an excellent way of remembering the three laws: 1. You cannot win (that is, you cannot get something for nothing, because matter and energy are conserved). 2. You cannot break even (you cannot return to the same energy state, because there is always an increase in disorder; entropy always increases). 3. You cannot get out of the game (because absolute zero is unattainable)." http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae280.cfm Still no trace of the origin of "owt for nowt" or the two and sixpence embellishment. But my meanderings reminded me of the Flanders and Swann song: "....you can't pass heat from the cooler to the hotter Try it if you like but you far better notter 'Cos the cold in the cooler will get hotter as a ruler 'Cos the hotter body's heat will pass to the cooler Oh, you can't pass heat from the cooler to the hotter You can try it if you like but you'll only look a fooler 'Cos the cold in the cooler will get hotter as a ruler That's a physical Law!" more at: http://www.columbia.edu/itc/chemistry/chem-c140498/jack/ch11.html |
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