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Subject: Sites Removed and Update.
Category: Business and Money > Advertising and Marketing
Asked by: mrpaiz-ga
List Price: $25.00
Posted: 20 Mar 2003 20:34 PST
Expires: 19 Apr 2003 21:34 PDT
Question ID: 179011
Why were this domains removed from google's index on the last update!
They used to rank very high? Can I add them again? When is the next
update? How can I make sure they will all be back in google for the
next update? Help!!

http://www.online-boxing-results.com/
http://www.nfl-sports-betting.com/
http://www.mlb-betting.com/
http://www.basketball-gambling-online.com/
http://www.sportsbookbonuses.com/
http://www.sportsbookbonuses.com/
http://www.soccer-gambling-online.com/
http://www.offshore-gambling-odds.com/
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Subject: Re: Sites Removed and Update.
Answered By: robertskelton-ga on 21 Mar 2003 15:14 PST
Rated:4 out of 5 stars
 
Hi there,

Firstly just a couple of points:

- Google Answers Researchers have no contact with the search engine
side of things. We don't have any inside information regarding the
listing, de-listing and ranking of sites.

- Although Google has published some guidelines for webmasters, they
are open to interpretation. Any answers to queries like yours can only
be educated opinions, based on personal experience and the thoughts of
others online.

Okay, obviously this is a serious situation, as for many sites most of
their traffic arrives via Google. Here's the possible reasons for
being removed, in my order of likelihood. Then I'll mention remedies.


Reciprocal Linking
----------------

When I answer queries like yours, usually the sites involved have
attempted to artificially inflate their link popularity by using link
farms or reciprocal linking. Google's guidelines state:

Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's
ranking or PageRank.
://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

Fiction: Joining a link exchange or "free-for-all" link program will
boost my rankings.
Fact: Linking schemes do not increase a given site's PageRank, and
will often do a site more harm than good.
://www.google.com/webmasters/facts.html

On your sites I find that not only are you asking for reciprocal
links, but stating "Remember that link popularity is key to the search
engines now in days!"

http://www.mlb-betting.com/cgi-bin/lspro/lspro.cgi?request=new
http://www.online-boxing-results.com/cgi-bin/lspro/lspro.cgi?request=new

I beleive that this level of reciprocal linking is your number one
problem:
://www.google.com/search?q=link:http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eoffshore%2Dgambling%2Dodds%2Ecom%2F


Guilt by Association
-------------------

Marketing By Net International
http://marketingbynetint.com/home.html

Either this company is the owner of your sites, or they have been
hired by you to improve search engine results (as experts in the
search engine optimization business, they should be able to tell you
what went wrong...). They seem to be behind an extensive network of
web sites, many of which have a sole purpose of flooding search engine
results, and earning income through advertising.

I'm sure that they are behind many more gambling-related sites than
are listed on this page:
http://www.marketingbynetint.com/partner_sites/partnersites.htm

A thread from WebMasterWorld:

GG has already told us that whois data is being looked at. Remember
this reply, "the site in your profile looks fine, but your company
seems to be associated with a bunch of online casino domains too". The
only place that knowledge could have come from is a whois database.
The number of links and a common "C" tripped a filter.
We are seeing alot more than over optimisation being used to ban sites
and or whole networks.
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum10003/2838.htm

Another thread:

I have about a bazillion sites which cover a multitude of topics. As
mentioned in another recent threads, the network I operate also runs a
number of online casino directories. I'd like to bounce something
here, if I may.

Each online casino directory was created to target a different search
phrase - to get as extensive a coverage as possible. These were
cross-linked and so most have been hit with a pr0 penalty. Income has
dived as a result - seriously, and the effect that actual existance of
the sites is in question. We were not aware at the time, as were
anyone else it seems, that cross-linking was an issue. It's prety damn
clear that it is now.
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum10003/2678.htm


Original Content
---------------

Google say that you should

"Create a useful, information-rich site and write pages that clearly
and accurately describe your content."

And

"Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with
substantially duplicate content."
://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

I am quite sure that Google looks for duplicated content and penalises
sites that do so, in conjunction with other bad practices (ie
occasional duplicated content on its own isn't too bad). There is some
content repeated amongst your sites:

http://www.online-boxing-results.com/boxing_sportbooks.htm
http://www.mlb-betting.com/sportsbook-reviews.htm
http://www.nfl-sports-betting.com/endorsed_sportsbooks.htm
http://www.basketball-gambling-online.com/wheretobet.htm
http://www.soccer-gambling-online.com/sportsbook-reviews.htm
http://www.offshore-gambling-odds.com/sportsbook_reviews.htm

Visiting your sites, although each is different, they seem to be very
similar, and I presume other content or HTML code is duplicated.


Web Position Gold
-----------------

This is not widely known, but Google does not want their servers to be
bogged down by automated queries. Using such programs can get your
site banned:

Don't use unauthorized computer programs to submit pages, check
rankings, etc. Such programs consume computing resources and violate
our terms of service. Google does not recommend the use of products
such as WebPosition Gold™ that send automatic or programmatic queries
to Google.
://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html


Other Possible Reasons
----------------------

From Google:

1. Your site may not have been reachable when we tried to crawl it
because of network or hosting problems. When this happens, we retry
multiple times, but if the site cannot be crawled, it will not be
listed in our current index. If it was a transient problem, your site
will likely show up in the next index, which will be completed in a
few weeks.

2. A technical glitch on our side may have caused us to 'miss' your
site. In crawling more than 3 billion pages every few weeks, our
system experiences hiccups from time to time. Again, this is a
transient problem, and your site will likely show up in the next
index. Please be patient with us during this period, as we are not
able to modify our index by hand to add sites missed in this way.
://www.google.com/webmasters/2.html


Remedies
---------

Also, directly quoted from Google:

Your page was manually removed from our index, because it did not
conform with the quality standards necessary to assign accurate
PageRank. We will not comment on the individual reasons a page was
removed and we do not offer an exhaustive list of practices that can
cause removal. However, certain actions such as cloaking, writing text
that can be seen by search engines but not by users, or setting up
pages/links with the sole purpose of fooling search engines may result
in permanent removal from our index. If you think your site may fall
into this category, you might try 'cleaning up' the page and sending a
re-inclusion request to help@google.com. We do not make any guarantees
about if or when we will re-include your site.
://www.google.com/webmasters/2.html

You might also want to post a question at WebMasterWorld in the Google
section (free and easy registration is required). Don't link to your
sites, just describe them.
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/

An active member of the forum is GoogleGuy, who is a Google employee,
often gives semi-official answers to questions like yours.

Read this entire thread. Although they look at casino sites, you can
count your sites as being of the same genre:
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/2578.htm


Search strategy: personal experience, searching WebMasterWorld and
Google's webmaster guidelines


Best wishes,
robertskelton-ga
mrpaiz-ga rated this answer:4 out of 5 stars
Thanks. I did not get an exact answer but got an idea on what could be happening.

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