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Who sponsers www.VoteToImpeach.org?Who pays for the huge SF/NYanti-war rallies?
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: schmooz-ga List Price: $20.00 |
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25 Mar 2003 14:31 PST
Expires: 24 Apr 2003 15:31 PDT Question ID: 180887 |
How do I find out who or what group sponsers www.votetoimpeach.org ? Checking to see who owns the site name shows me nothing. What are their political affiliations? Are their possible agendas that go beyond stopping the war? Are there specific groups with specific political agendas who sponser and pay for the expenses connected with the big anti-war rallies in San Fancisco, New York and other major cities? (I have seen some of the same people at different rallies). Are some of these rallies and sites sponsored by other countries? | |
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Re: Who sponsers www.VoteToImpeach.org?Who pays for the huge SF/NYanti-war rallies?
Answered By: politicalguru-ga on 26 Mar 2003 06:02 PST |
Dear Schmooz, As the commentators mentioned, your questions are very interesting indeed. As the commentator Jonwoo mentioned, ViteToImpeach.org is affiliated with a site called "International Answer.org" <http://www.internationalanswer.org>, "Act Now to Stop War & End Racism! which is an anti-war site (and also involved in organising the rallies and protests). International-Answer, and their anti-war activities, is funded by private donations, as their own website tells us <http://www.internationalanswer.org/donate.html>. International Answer, according to the abovementioned page, is funded by "The Peoples Rights Fund". The "Peoples Rights Fund sponsors those projects, which seek to educate the people of the U.S. about the growing dangers of war, increasing incidents of racial profiling by the U.S. government, and growing encroachments to civil liberties and civil rights within the U.S. The People's Rights Fund also sponsors the production of educational materials, including fact sheets, books, and videos on these subjects." (Source: International Answer donation page, <http://www.internationalanswer.org/donate.html>). "People's Rights Find" uses this address to collect donations: Peoples Rights Fund, 39 W. 14th St., Rm. 206, New York, N.Y., 10011 . Further inquiries show, that "The People's Rights Fund, inc., which was established in 1986, is a not-for-profit foundation. As a 50l(c)(3) foundation, donations to it are tax-deductible." Both "International ANSWER" and the IAC enjoy PPF funding (http://www.peoplesrightsfund.org/cgi-local/SoftCart.100.exe/online-store/scstore/shophome.html?E+scstore). According to the conservative website FreeRepublic.com, "One can find who is the primary contact for an internet domain by performing a whois query against the domain names databases. A whois query on beatbackbush.org shows that the organization behind the website is called "World View", and is based in Jersey City, NJ, and lists an administrative contact of Sara Flounders Kramer. The email address given for the administrative contact is gery@riseup.net. A whois query for internationalanswer.org, though, shows the organization to be the IAC, and provides the same email address for the administrative contact. Sara Flounders (sans the Kramer surname) is listed as the administrative and billing contact for the IAC's website. Both internationalanswer.org and beatbackbush.org are hosted on machines running in Boca Raton, Florida. The contact for riseup.net, as found using whois, is Elijah Saxon, who gives his email address as being from the ucsc.edu domain (University of California, Santa Cruz, where he is probably an alumni). Saxon also has registered revolt.org, which says it is part of Global Update, which also has a domain. globalupdate.org, riseup.net, and revolt.org all indicate that they operate out of Seattle, Washington." (Source: Free Republic forums, http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3bb23a6d6b8a.htm). IAC (The International Action Centre) was founded by former Attorney General, Ramsey Clark. You could find a very interesting chart of Ms. Kramer's social networks at Namebase.org , http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb06?_FLOUNDERS_SARA_ Kramer, according to other searches, is a left wing journalist and a worker at Mr Ramsey's IAC. Free Republic.com also wonders, "Where does the People's Rights Fund get their money?" and claims "Their website makes no mention. However, at least part of their funding comes from Fidelity Investment's Charitable Gift Fund." (ibid). http://www400.charitablegift.org/annual/recipients/p.shtml Another ultra-conservative publication, Front Page Magazine, claims that the "People Rights Fund" once claimed it is a day care centre - http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=3181 VoteToImpeach.org uses the same mailing address as another anti-war site, VoteNoWar.org: 1901 Pennsylvania Ave., N.W., Suite 607, Washington, D.C. 20006 The same offices are also used by, Partnership for Civil Justice, who also organised protests at Bush inauguration speech (see for example: "A Guide to Effective Participation in the 2001 Inauguration" by Blazing Tattles 07 January 2001 05:43 UTC, http://csf.colorado.edu/envtecsoc/2001/msg00002.html). Partnership for Civil Justice was "The PCJ~LDEF was founded by Carl Messineo and Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, experienced civil rights attorneys practicing in Washington, D.C. The Fund provides and supports exclusively charitable and educational activities that secure and advance civil rights under the law, and that work towards the elimination of discrimination and prejudice." VoteToImpeace.org is just a case study. Regarding your more general question on funding of the peace movement, it seems that the movements enjoy a variety of sources. Some groups are funded by members, others by donations and funding of other non-profits, the abovementioned organisations. Such an example might be the site (and movement) MoveOnPac.org, who managed to rise over a $1 million, through the site: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A43784-2002Oct17 Naturally, I wouldn't also reject an opposite connection: political parties funding such movements. I hope this answers your question. My search strategy was a bit detective-like: first I followed the trace of the site at a whois service (just like Jonwoo-ga), and found its connection to "International ANSWER". Then, I searched on "International ANSWER" with terms such as "funding" and "donation". Finally, I searched for each name and address that I could find, to find matching (such as the site's connections to The Partnership for Civil Justice). Naturally, I also searched for you on the funding of the anti war demonstrations, with relevant terms. If you need any clarifications on the answer, please let me know. I'd be pleased to clarify my answer before you rate it. |
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Re: Who sponsers www.VoteToImpeach.org?Who pays for the huge SF/NYanti-war rallies?
From: jinwoo-ga on 25 Mar 2003 17:51 PST |
I actually did some research into the question and took me some time but I think I found the answer. I looked up whois information on the internet but it was obvious that information was false. Registrant VoteToImpeach.org NYC New York NY US 10011 Administrative Contact VoteToImpeach Vote To Impeach NYC New York (US) 10011 212 N-111434npzs@usersa5.namescout.com Technical Contact VoteToImpeach Vote To Impeach NYC New York 10011 US 212 N-111434npzs@usersa5.namescout.com Namescout is the company that registered the domain and host provider for the site. I contacted Namescout and was told they do not divulge personal information of their customers. I thought I hit a road block but then I noticed something strange. Their formmail which is used to send a letter about impeachment of George W. Bush is not being hosted on votetoimpeach.org. Their Formmail cgi script was being hosted at 161.58.14.9 or internationalanswer.org. I know something about formmail and it is that unless webmaster modified the formmail script(referral section) other sites cannot use that script. internationalanswer.org modified their formmail script so it will work with votetoimpeach.org. Internationalanswer.org also states on their website http://www.internationalanswer.org/news/update/020403impeach.html that they are responsible for votetoimpeach.org. Big anti war protests are usually funded by some these groups but you can't find that information because most of funds are not disclosed to the public. But most of the protesters use their money to come to D.C or New York according to my friends who was at the protest. I deserve the money but I'm not google researcher but if you want you can send money to my paypal account. |
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Re: Who sponsers www.VoteToImpeach.org?Who pays for the huge SF/NYanti-war rallies?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 25 Mar 2003 19:19 PST |
Here's a very interesting article entitled "Who Pays For These Demonstrations?" Frontpage Magazine http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5734 Two more articles on this subject: Rocky Mountain News http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/news_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_86_1711678,00.html National Review http://www.nationalreview.com/cohen/cohen103002.asp It appears that some of these demonstrations have not been spontaneously generated by gentle people with flowers in their hair. |
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Re: Who sponsers www.VoteToImpeach.org?Who pays for the huge SF/NYanti-war rallies?
From: justaskscott-ga on 25 Mar 2003 19:48 PST |
Re articles found by pinkfreud-ga: I think that these articles should be taken with a grain of salt, since they all appear in publications that have conservative slants. (For example, the article from FrontPage is accompanied by a call for a nationwide boycott of "Old Europe" goods.) Of course, one might argue that the New York Times has a liberal slant (though it does have both conservative and liberal columnists) when it publishes a column on how conservative radio stations support the pro-war rallies: "Channels of Influence", by Paul Krugman (March 25, 2003) New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/25/opinion/25KRUG.html |
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Re: Who sponsers www.VoteToImpeach.org?Who pays for the huge SF/NYanti-war rallies?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 26 Mar 2003 17:51 PST |
Regarding the group "International A.N.S.W.E.R.," which claims to be financed by "private donations," here's another article that my liberal colleagues will no doubt want to tell you to take with a grain of salt: "The major anti-U.S. government demonstrations are organized by people who have been around for a long time, particularly the Workers World Party, which has existed for more than 30 years now and has always supported the enemies of the United States," said Herbert Romerstein, a retired agent of the U.S. Information Agency. The Workers World Party describes itself as Marxist in nature. Officially, protest organizers are groups such as Not in Our Name and International A.N.S.W.E.R., but the demonstration's sponsors have long histories of backing anti-government causes. Not in Our Name is financed by the Interreligious Foundation for Community Organization. I.F.C.O. is a million-dollar-a-year non-profit that supports Cuban dictator Fidel Castro and once sponsored a group headed by Sami Al-Arian the University of South Florida professor being charged with fundraising for terrorist organizations Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad. A.N.S.W.E.R. is an offshoot of the International Action Center, which intelligence officials say is a front for the Worker's World Party. Fox News http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81314,00.html |
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