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Subject: for missy (quick question
Category: Health > Alternative
Asked by: anonymous777-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 26 Mar 2003 19:55 PST
Expires: 25 Apr 2003 20:55 PDT
Question ID: 181529
how long does it take before i will see any results or benefits with
my carolsons fish oil and 200mg of grape seed extract???
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Subject: Re: for missy (quick question
Answered By: missy-ga on 26 Mar 2003 21:24 PST
 
Hi Johnny!

What a surprise to see you on so late!  How are you?

Searching on [ "fish oil" see benefits ], I discovered something
interesting, which relates back to your question about inflammation:

"Fish oil contains omega-3 essential fatty acids which block the
production of prostaglandins while increasing the production of
anti-inflammatory prostaglandins."

Baker Family Chiropractic
http://www.bakerfamilychiropractic.com/m.php

"omega-3 fatty acids are  antiinflammatory"

The Benefits of Fish Oil for Rheumatoid Arthritis Patients
http://www.coloradohealthsite.org/CHNReports/fishoil_RA.html

Neat!

The page also states, however:

"In the editorial, Drs. Cleland and James note that fish oil delivers
many collateral health benefits to patients with RA. Many with RA are
at high cardiovascular risk and omega-3 fats can lower this risk.
Also, the drugs used for patients with RA can compound the risk of
heart disease. For example, methotrexate is taken by many with RA and
methotrexate increases plasma homocysteine, a risk factor for heart
attack. Other drugs commonly used by patients with RA can increase
blood clotting and blood pressure, both of which can be reduced by
omega-3 fats. Moreover, the omega-3 fats have no important toxicities
for patients.

Why then are fish oil supplements not used more widely in patients
with RA? The authors suggest two answers. First, fish oil is not a
patentable product and therefore there is little commercial incentive
to promote its use. Second the benefits are delayed up to 3-4 months,
depending on dose."

The Benefits of Fish Oil for Rheumatoid Arthritis Patients
http://www.coloradohealthsite.org/CHNReports/fishoil_RA.html

This is geared towards patients with rheumatoid arthritis, however,
and it's not clear if it means that *all* health benefits are delayed
by 3 or 4 months, or only benefits for RA patients, so I looked
further:

"How soon will I see results?

It will vary depending on the concentration of the fish oil, your
current nutritional state, dosage, and current health. We often will
hear that our customers "feel better" and experience "clearer
thinking" and "an enhanced well being" within 2 weeks. For better
results, we recommend you take EFAs daily for at least two months to
evaluate their benefits and reduce your intake of hydrogenated and
trans-fats."

Nordic Naturals - FAQs
http://www.nordicnaturals.com/direct/faqs.asp

"Visible improvement may be seen just after 2 months but long-term
consumption is recommended for long lasting results"

Nu-Life EFA Fish Oil Capsules
http://www.nulife.com.my/product1.htm

Other pages indicate noticeable results in 4 - 6 weeks, most note that
there is no set time frame and that results vary by dose, symptoms,
and concentration.  I was unable to find any discussions specific to
Carlson's product.

It appears the reasonable range is from 2 weeks to 4 months, with
approximately 2 months considered the minimum evaluation time needed
to see results.

Please let me know if there is anything else I can do for you.  If you
like, I can give Carlson's a ring in the morning to see what specific
information they have!

--Missy

Clarification of Answer by missy-ga on 26 Mar 2003 21:33 PST
Oopsie!  I'm sorry, I failed to include the information for grape seed
extract!

"Grape seed extract is commonly prescribed in France for varicose
veins and other vascular problems. It contains powerful antioxidant
compounds called oligomeric proanthocyanidins (OPCs), which have been
found in lab and animal studies to make blood vessels more elastic and
also less likely to leak fluids that cause the leg swelling often
associated with varicose veins. However, the natural product I
generally recommend for varicose veins is horse-chestnut seed extract
(HCSE), a remedy popular in Germany that is believed to work similarly
to grape seed extract to reduce pain and swelling in the legs but has
been more extensively studied. The major active ingredient in HCSE is
believed to be the compound escin. The dosage for varicose veins is
250 to 300 mg twice a day of standardized horse-chestnut seed extract
(the equivalent of 100 mg of escin).

Whichever of these plant extracts you try, keep in mind that it can
take up to two months to see results."

Hypertension and Grape Seed Extract? 
http://www.drweil.com/app/cda/drw_cda.html-command=TodayQA-questionId=6006

This was the most authoritative answer I was able to find, with
vitamin sellers claiming anywhere from 1 week to 3 months, with 2
months being the average time for consideration and noticeable
results.

I'm sorry I forgot to put that up where it belonged!

--Missy

Request for Answer Clarification by anonymous777-ga on 27 Mar 2003 09:00 PST
i take 200mg of grape seed extract once daily. is that enough to get benefits??

Clarification of Answer by missy-ga on 27 Mar 2003 09:22 PST
Hi there!

According to the Grape Seed Extract FAQ, yes, you are taking enough to
see benefits:

"What should the dosage be? Lengths of administration are usually
based on the severity of the symptoms and the type of problem.

Typically 20mg for every 20lbs b.d. weight or 75 to 300mg daily for 3
weeks reducing to a 40 to 80mg daily maintenance dose."

Grape Seed Extract - Frequently Asked Questions
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/alt/grapeseed_faq.htm

"Uses: Grape-seed extract is believed to be a powerful antioxidant, a
substance that can neutralize free-oxygen radicals, molecules that
contribute to aging and organ damage. Some researchers believe it's
better than vitamin C or E in helping to prevent diseases such as
cancer and heart disease, in which free radicals play a big role.

Dose: Grape-seed extract typically comes in 50-milligram capsules;
adults are advised to take 150 to 300 milligrams a day."

'French paradox' boosts interest in red-wine chemicals
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/living/1_31_03grape_seed.html

The dose Dr. Weil discusses in his article is specifically for
treatment of varicose veins, and is higher than the recommended
regular dose.  Keep in mind that varying doses are called for to treat
various conditions - depending on the condition, the dose used to
treat it can be higher or lower than the recommended regular dose.


--Missy
Comments  
Subject: Re: for missy (quick question
From: cryptica-ga on 26 Mar 2003 21:54 PST
 
My doctor recommends OMEGABRITE gel caps, (www.omegabrite.com),
because their formula has the highest concentration of EPA available
and a 7:1 ratio of EPA to DHA. (not that I actually understand this,
but others will).  Omegabrites were developed by Dr. Andrew Stoll, a
respected expert on depression and author of book, "The Omega-3
Connection."  Best part is there's no "aftertaste" of fish oil.
Subject: Re: for missy (quick question
From: leonandlexi-ga on 09 Mar 2005 07:23 PST
 
the above info is not strictly true, there is a product called PuraEPA
that is 90% concentration of epa and contains no DHA, so has a better
ratio

http://www.mind1st.co.uk

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