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The first vampire
Category: Reference, Education and News Asked by: sire-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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26 May 2002 07:45 PDT
Expires: 25 Jun 2002 07:45 PDT Question ID: 18169 |
Who was the first vampire ? |
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Re: The first vampire
Answered By: joseleon-ga on 26 May 2002 08:12 PDT Rated: |
Hello, sire! This is an interesting question and can be asked in several ways. The first way is to tell you who was the first vampire in the cinema, because is suposed those creatures doesn't exist. In that case, the first vampire was Max Schreck, the actor who interpreted the Count Graf Orlok in Nosferatu, eine Symphonie des Grauens in 1922. Nosferatu, eine Symphonie des Grauens http://us.imdb.com/Title?0013442 Max Schreck http://us.imdb.com/Name?Schreck,+Max The other way to ask your question is to dig into history looking for Dracula's roots, this throws some interesting results: "The Dracula of Transylvanian legend appears to have originated from Vlad IV of Wallachia (1430-1476), known as Vlad the Impaler, although he was not a vampire. It is suggested that Stoker's Count Dracula was a composite figure derived from Vlad the Impaler and the Countess Báthori, who was arrested in 1610 for murdering some 650 girls. It was her habit to wash in the blood of her girl victims in order to maintain her skin in a youthful condition. The name Dracula comes from Vlad's family membership of the Order of the Dragon, although dracul in Romanian strictly speaking means 'the Devil'. The Order of the Dragon was invested upon Vlad's father (his name was Dracul) in 1431, by the Holy Roman Emperor Sigismund. This Order was a semi-monastic and semi-military organization dedicated to fighting the Turkish infidels. Dracul, in the sense of dragon, stems from this... Vlad was called Dracula because this was a diminutive of his father's name, meaning the son of the Devil, or dragon." Dracula, the First Vampire http://www.occultopedia.com/d/dracula.htm And if we search for Vlad IV, we get a lot of interesting pages about the history of what it seems the first vampire: The Columbia Encyclopedia http://www.bartleby.com/65/vl/Vlad4.html Vlad, Dracula http://roswell.fortunecity.com/seance/500/vamps/vlad/intro.html Concluding, there wasn't a "real" first vampire, it was created by Bram Stoker, who based his book on Vlad IV's life and added some parts of the life of Countess Báthori. Countess Elizabeth Báthori http://bathory.org/shyla.html Bram Stoker's Dracula http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0312863586/qid=1022425695/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_2/104-5139640-4000731 Search terms used: "the first vampire" ://www.google.com/search?q=the+first+vampire&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&hl=en&lr= "Vlad IV" ://www.google.com/search?q=Vlad+IV&hl=es&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8 I hope this is what you were looking for and I would be glad to ask for any clarification. Regards. | |
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sire-ga
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Not exactly the answer I was looking for, but I did find information I needed from suzanne-ga. Thanks. |
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Re: The first vampire
From: wlk115-ga on 26 May 2002 08:48 PDT |
The legend of Count Dracula was based on a real person. The Prince Vlad III Dracula, a.k.a Vlad Tepes, meaning "Vlad the Impaler. prince of Walachia (c1431-1476). He was born in Transylvania, which at that time was ruled by Hungary. He was called Dracula (son of the devil), as his father was known as Vlad Dracul (Vlad the Devil) because of their cruelty. Nosferatu was the first Dracula movie (1922). It was based on Bram Stoker's 1897 novel "Dracula". Max Scheck played the Vampire Bela Lugosi played Dracula in the first sound movie Dracula. |
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Re: The first vampire
From: libraryman-ga on 26 May 2002 08:52 PDT |
Apparently Vlad the Impaler got his name from his custom of impaling invading Turks along the roads of his kingdom. He is reputed to have drunken cups of their blood, hence the vampire connection. Eastern Europe is rife with vampire legends, apparently arising from certain aspects of the body after death. Hair and nails appear to lengthen due to the shrinking of the skin. There is also a tendency for dead bodies to sit up in their coffins and make groaning sounds due to the production of gases as putrefaction takes place. Sorry to be so gruesome, but death was treated differently then. I have heard of Asian vampire cults that have no connection to the European stories. Perhaps Egypt too. I would tend to go along with the Bram Stoker/Vlad the Impaler connection. |
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Re: The first vampire
From: libraryman-ga on 26 May 2002 09:33 PDT |
I forgot to add that of course a stake in the heart of a corpse would tend to release the gases inside and thus 'kill' the vampire. Also, as far as I know, vampire bats are native to Central America, Mexico and parts of northern South America, not the Old World. The inclusion of vampire bats (the first vampires!) in movies seems to be a later addition. There is a Mayan or Aztec god with a bat's head, but no there is no known linkage between that and European vampire legends. |
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Re: The first vampire
From: browolf-ga on 26 May 2002 12:09 PDT |
In fiction, specifically a well established RPG (Role-Playing Game) called Vampire: The Masquerade, the first vampire was Caine who was "...the first murderer. For his crime, Caine was cursed by God and thereby transformed into a vampire. Exiled from his people, Caine was forced to stalk the fringes of civilisation, fearful of the sun and ravenous for blood. In his loneliness, Caine came upon a mighty witch named Lilith, who had been Adam's first wife. Lilith taught him how to use his blood for mighty magic (indeed, a few heretics claim that Lilith, not Caine, was the first vampire). Lilith taught Caine many things, including how to use his blood to invoke mystical powers-and how to create others of his kind." http://roswell.fortunecity.com/seance/500/v.tm/caine.html details of the RPG here: http://www.white-wolf.com/vampire.html |
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Re: The first vampire
From: politicalguru-ga on 26 May 2002 15:41 PDT |
I just searched "Egyptian Mythology" and "Blood sucking" (since you already got the answer, but I'm willing to do a more thorough search if you want me to, just contact me again), and found this: http://www.gods-heros-myth.com/egypt/sekhmet.html - she sucks the blood of nurmal people to get her power (but not particularly virgins; not for secual reasons and not by night). Check out also that for ancient than Dracula Vampires: http://www.pathwaytodarkness.com/film/nosferatu.htm |
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Re: The first vampire
From: chromedome-ga on 27 May 2002 04:23 PDT |
Not overly related to your inquiry, but for an early (and amusingly lurid) treatment of the vampire in Western literature, check out "Varney the Vampire," attributed to one James Rymer. Published serially beginning in 1845, it was hugely popular in its day. Its original popularity was due at least in part to the rumour that it had been written by the poet Byron (!!!????) A number of locations have the complete text on-line for your amusement and delectation. This is one of them: http://netvampyric.8m.com/varney/varney1.html |
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Re: The first vampire
From: suzanne-ga on 27 May 2002 13:20 PDT |
Hello! Wow I wish I would've seen this earlier (I was out of town). I study vampire folklore. Let me try my shot at best answering your question. The earliest known vampire is extremely hard to tell, but luckily through ancient texts, cave paintings, and other forms of historical documents we can get an idea just how far back vampirism goes. To the best of my knowledge, noone knows for sure if vampirism was derived from one human being with a virus or a complete sub-species of humans. There are some vampire folklore in the realm of Assyria and Babylonia. The following link will best explain this along with some ancient texts found. http://www.sacred-texts.com/goth/vkk/vkk06.htm There is also the theory and myth of Lilith being the first vampire, thanks to Hebrew legend. She was seen as being a monster with wings, clawed feet, and only coming out at night to kill newborn children and pregnant women. There is also a piece of pottery that was found dated back to 4000bc depicting a woman drinking the blood from her lover's chest. As far as I know, that is the oldest known vampire relic (unfortunately, the link for showing you the information on the pottery is not working). There are also cave paintings dating back to 3000bc of "creatures" holding up skulls with human blood inside of them. These cave paintings are found in India and Nepal. The Rakshasas were demons found in the ancient Hindu text called The Vedas. They were known for feeding off of human flesh. These texts date back to 1500bc. I could go on for days if you wanted me to. There is so much vampire folklore out there. Here is a variety of vampire legends of ancient times http://www.parascope.com/en/articles/vampires02.htm More about Lilith http://www.darksites.com/souls/vampires/vamponline/lillu.html A very good description of Vampire Myth and History http://vampirejunky.8m.com/vamphistory.html I hope this answers your question. If you need anything more answered in regards to vampires, I'd be more than happy to answer them. Take care Suzanne |
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Re: The first vampire
From: sire-ga on 27 May 2002 17:08 PDT |
Suzanne-ga, great info! Thank you so much. Exactly what I was looking for. If you have more information or even a site of your own about vampire folklore, please share. Again, Thank you. |
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Re: The first vampire
From: libraryman-ga on 01 Jun 2002 10:40 PDT |
I got some of my material on vampires/vampirism from Natural History Magazine, October, 1990 (I think). They have a website and you can order a copy of the article for $5.00 if you want. I don't remember it being particularly historical,but hey, it's been over 11 years. It had 'real vampires' or something similar in the title. |
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Re: The first vampire
From: suzanne-ga on 02 Jun 2002 19:47 PDT |
Hi again, I was flipping around the internet some more (always on the "hunt" for more vampiric folklore), and stumbled upon a few more sites I'd thought you might like to read. Vampires: Fang and Horror: Early Types of Vampirism http://wolfieluc.tripod.com/vvampearly.html This one gives a few more details on each of the early types of vampire myths. The Vampire's Kith and Kin http://www.unicorngarden.com/vamp4.htm EXCELLENT resource on vampire history. If you haven't read any of the links I've given.. at least give this a look over. It's worth it. That's it for now. No, unfortunately, I don't have a vampire website.. I never felt I knew enough to make one. Besides, there's so many contradictions and myths out there that I couldn't possibly pile all that information on one website and ever be truely satisfied. I hope this little information helps, again. Thanks, Suzanne |
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Re: The first vampire
From: gimpe-ga on 19 Jun 2002 12:19 PDT |
I just want to tell that two of the first Essay about vampires are: "La Morte amoureuse" by Théophile Gautier (1836) http://www.llsh.univ-savoie.fr/gautier/morte.htm "Carmilla" by J. Sheridan LeFanu (1872) http://www.sff.net/people/DoyleMacdonald/l_carmil.htm The texts are available online, sorry but the first one is in French I guess a translation is available somewhere. I hope this can help you in you quest for the first vampire Gimpe |
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Re: The first vampire
From: noelsmyth-ga on 02 Oct 2004 11:14 PDT |
Im not sure but i tink the first Vampire according to the hebrews was lilith.. Lilith was created by God for adam, but there was an arguement and she left to torture the world, then God created EVE. *I think* |
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