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Is the American intelligentsia liberal?
Category: Relationships and Society > Politics Asked by: nronronronro-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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01 Apr 2003 01:34 PST
Expires: 01 May 2003 02:34 PDT Question ID: 184143 |
One would think from pundits that Hollywood actors, news reporters, and university professors are overwhelmingly liberal. Is this actually supported by data? If so, why might this be the case? Conversely, are there elements of American society overwhelmingly conservative? I have no personal view on this, one way or the other. Just curious as to why certain groups, formed for occupational (not political) reasons, might semi-uniformly lean in the same direction. While all comments (even from rabid polemicists and extremist nuts) are encouraged, I would especially appreciate data-based/research-based comments. Thank you. ron |
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Re: Is the American intelligentsia liberal?
Answered By: j_philipp-ga on 01 Apr 2003 23:06 PST Rated: |
Hello Nronronronro, Thanks a lot for giving me the chance to repost my comment made earlier. Before I start with what I already assembled, I want to add some information for your question wether or not there are elements of American society which are overwhelmingly conservative. Also, I found some more statistical data that might interest you. ------------- American Institutions Survey Reference Files http://www.uta.fi/FAST/US2/REF/usclass.html "Sociologists, for instance, are mostly politically liberal while economists are mostly conservative, they said." The Red and the Blue: The Cultural and Political Divide in America http://www.uncommonknowledge.org/01-02/637.html Michael Barone, Senior Writer for U.S. News and World Report, says: "And what I could see is that the Democrats had made significant gains in those major metropolitan areas especially the seven largest in the country, that have a quarter of the population. Those are culturally the more liberal parts, less conventionally religious. The Republicans had made corresponding though somewhat lesser gains in rural, non-metropolitan areas. And so that the end result of those two movements in the opposite direction is the deadlock we see between the red states and the blue states in November of 2000." Ruy Teixeira, Fellow at the Century Foundation: "The Democrats have become the party of the most economically advanced parts of the country, what we call, in my new book with John Judis, ideopolises. If you look at the counties in the United States that are part of these ideopolises, if you compare the Reagan election in the 1980 to the 2000 election, almost all of the shift into the Democratic column since 1980 comes in these ideopolises as the most economically advanced areas." Also see following document: Political Polarization and Income Inequality [PDF] http://www-hoover.stanford.edu/RESEARCH/conferences/collective/11262002.pdf Other documents like this state that the correlation between income and political polarization is low. Following interesting page argues that there might be more than a one-dimensional comparison needed: Ideology (by Prof. Bryan Caplan) http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/bcaplan/e849/pf9.htm "What is the dimension? Empirically, U.S. political opinion "fits" well on the liberal-conservative or left-right spectrum. (...) On a deep level, this spectrum may not make a great deal of sense. Libertarians, for example, often argue that there are really two dimensions - personal freedom and economic freedom: 1. Libertarians - pro-personal, pro-economic 2. Populists - anti-personal, anti-economic 3. Liberals - pro-personal, anti-economic 4. Conservatives - anti-personal, pro-economic" The text goes on saying that education and ideology are close to unrelated, but that in "a multiple regression framework, there is a tendency for income to make people more conservative and education to make people more liberal." But that there also is an "Ideology Education Interaction": "Ideology and education interact in an interesting way. Despite their slight correlation, ideology*education has more predictive power than ideology alone. (...) Simple explanation: The higher your education level, the more likely you are to know what your ideology says about a given topic. For someone with a grade-school education, "liberal" is just a word; for a Ph.D., it is an integrated worldview." Also, take a look at tables 1b and 1c on the "Conditional Probability of Being a Democrat/Republican" at the bottom of the page. The tables separate by age, job security, income, race, gender, and other factors. ------------- And this is the information I found for you earlier: Why are things changing http://www.oaoa.com/columns/bill090802.htm "Here are some of the reported stats from the polling of professors: - University professors are exceptionally liberal ... (of those) who voted in the 2000 election, 84 percent voted for Al Gore, 6 percent for Ralph Nader and only 9 percent for George Bush. - And when these professors were asked to name the very best president of the last 40 years, Clinton came in first with 26 percent ... Kennedy second with 17 percent, LBJ third with 15 percent, Carter fourth with 13 percent, and Ronald Reagan finished last with an abysmal 4 percent. - And while only 34 percent of the nation professes itself to be Democrat, 57 percent of professors declare themselves to be Democrat" (I cross-checked this information on other sites.) Here's some analysis on the subject: Book Review: The Smell of Sawdust (by Richard J. Mouw, 2000) http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Fields/3076/tsos.html "As an aside, why is it that so many intellectuals are politically liberal, that academic advancement and recognition normally involves moving leftward politically? It almost seems as if the more they 'know,' the further leftward they go! I suppose this is partly due to the immense peer pressure applied by predominantly left-leaning academics and intellectuals. Since advancement involves being recognized by peers, it is essential to play to their likings." And: The Secret to the Suicidal Liberal Mind (by Jack Wheeler, Freedom Research Foundation, 2002) http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/1/20/231252.shtml "Envy-mongering has always been and continues to be the underlying strategy of all variants of the political Left, such as the Democratic Party. (...) This is also why Hollywood is so liberal. The vast amounts of money movie stars make is so grossly disproportionate to the effort it took them to make it that they feel it is unearned. So they apologize for it. The liberal's strategy is to apologize for his success in order to appease the envious. Liberalism is thus not a political ideology or set of beliefs. It is an envy-deflection device, a psychological strategy to avoid being envied." ------------- I hope it helps, and thanks again! Search terms: research political liberal group profession "research indicates" liberal "by profession" "university professors are * liberal" "actors are * liberal" "intellectuals are * liberal" "hollywood is * liberal" "hollywood is * liberal" "survey OR poll OR research" Additional search terms: american society "mostly conservative" political view correlates to income liberal "correlation between income" democrats |
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Thanks, again! Top-notch. I appreciate it. ron |
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Re: Is the American intelligentsia liberal?
From: xarqi-ga on 01 Apr 2003 01:38 PST |
Since you eagerly invite all comments, I'll proffer the following: Your question reminded me of what Ghandi said when asked his view on Western civilisation. He replied: "I think it would be a good idea." :-) |
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Re: Is the American intelligentsia liberal?
From: nronronronro-ga on 01 Apr 2003 01:40 PST |
Thanks, xarqi! |
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Re: Is the American intelligentsia liberal?
From: digsalot-ga on 01 Apr 2003 01:58 PST |
I wouldn't put Hollywood actors exactly in with the intelligencia crowd. Casting notices aren't called "cattle calls" for nothing. You would be surprised at just how many popular "spokespeople" for a variety of political issues and other causes have never even finished high school. Don't get me wrong, there are some very well educated people on the screen, but it is their rarity that makes them so noteworthy. |
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Re: Is the American intelligentsia liberal?
From: nronronronro-ga on 01 Apr 2003 02:08 PST |
digsalot---thx! |
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Re: Is the American intelligentsia liberal?
From: j_philipp-ga on 01 Apr 2003 03:25 PST |
What's really needed would be a survey on political views grouped by profession, which I could not find. However I could dig up the following data (which I then cross-checked on other sites): Why are things changing http://www.oaoa.com/columns/bill090802.htm "Here are some of the reported stats from the polling of professors: - University professors are exceptionally liberal ... (of those) who voted in the 2000 election, 84 percent voted for Al Gore, 6 percent for Ralph Nader and only 9 percent for George Bush. - And when these professors were asked to name the very best president of the last 40 years, Clinton came in first with 26 percent ... Kennedy second with 17 percent, LBJ third with 15 percent, Carter fourth with 13 percent, and Ronald Reagan finished last with an abysmal 4 percent. - And while only 34 percent of the nation professes itself to be Democrat, 57 percent of professors declare themselves to be Democrat" Here's some analysis on the subject: Book Review: The Smell of Sawdust (by Richard J. Mouw, 2000) http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Fields/3076/tsos.html "As an aside, why is it that so many intellectuals are politically liberal, that academic advancement and recognition normally involves moving leftward politically? It almost seems as if the more they 'know,' the further leftward they go! I suppose this is partly due to the immense peer pressure applied by predominantly left-leaning academics and intellectuals. Since advancement involves being recognized by peers, it is essential to play to their likings." And: The Secret to the Suicidal Liberal Mind (by Jack Wheeler, Freedom Research Foundation, 2002) http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/1/20/231252.shtml "Envy-mongering has always been and continues to be the underlying strategy of all variants of the political Left, such as the Democratic Party. (...) This is also why Hollywood is so liberal. The vast amounts of money movie stars make is so grossly disproportionate to the effort it took them to make it that they feel it is unearned. So they apologize for it. The liberal's strategy is to apologize for his success in order to appease the envious. Liberalism is thus not a political ideology or set of beliefs. It is an envy-deflection device, a psychological strategy to avoid being envied." Search terms: research political liberal group profession "research indicates" liberal "by profession" "university professors are * liberal" "actors are * liberal" "intellectuals are * liberal" "hollywood is * liberal" "hollywood is * liberal" "survey OR poll OR research" |
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Re: Is the American intelligentsia liberal?
From: johnfrommelbourne-ga on 01 Apr 2003 07:29 PST |
I am probably being impertinent here as I am Australian and in Australia, but here goes anyway. The local equivalant of the Hollywood set is also very much "liberal" leaning as you call it. Actors here have supported the centre left political party closest aligned to your democrats for many years. Reasons are that liberal/ leftish political parties/ governments are much more likely to support the arts and hence the acting profession than conservative governments. For instance as soon as our "democrats" got in power here they immediately gave tax concesions to those people investing in the movie industry. the conservatives would never offer such incentives to aparticular group like that. Possibly your democrats similarly favour the arts. |
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Re: Is the American intelligentsia liberal?
From: expertlaw-ga on 01 Apr 2003 07:57 PST |
Although it probably isn't necessary to point this out, any "study" that pretends to measure "liberalism" simply by recounting party preference reflects not the political position of its subjects, but instead reflects the partisanship and bias of its sponsors. It simply isn't honest to declare that anybody who identifies more with the Democrats than with the Republicans is "liberal". |
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Re: Is the American intelligentsia liberal?
From: nronronronro-ga on 01 Apr 2003 16:35 PST |
j_philipp...thanks! Please post your comment as an answer so I can pay you. I know it's not much, but at least it's something. Thanks again! ron |
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Re: Is the American intelligentsia liberal?
From: nronronronro-ga on 01 Apr 2003 16:36 PST |
johnfrommelbourne---that is a terrific point. I never thought about that angle. Thanks! expertlaw---I always appreciate your crystalline distinctions. Thx, as always. ron |
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Re: Is the American intelligentsia liberal?
From: neilzero-ga on 01 Apr 2003 17:55 PST |
Perhaps the reason is phrases such as liberal arts and liberal education. These date back a century or more when typical liberal views were quite different. I think liberalism is largely sustained by this heritage of long ago. It is easier to get good refernces as an instuctor and a few other fields, if you express liberal views. Exceptions would be business, medical, military, engineering and technical instructors who are only about half liberal and/or Democrat. Newer disciplines tend to be more consevative. Many liberals believe it is OK to lie for a "good cause" which means even fellow liberals can't believe anything another liberal says unless they have good reason to believe it so. As a Non-liberal I am amazed that well educated people continue to support Socialism, big government and micro managing which have failed badly with rare exceptions for 5 decades in the USA. I am also amazed that many liberals, are increasing the danger to their own sons in the USA and British military by givig Saddam hope that the liberals will shortly force GW Bush to abandon the liberation of Iraq. Terrorists, free loders and criminals are also encourged by liberal rhetoric. Neil |
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Re: Is the American intelligentsia liberal?
From: mvguy-ga on 01 Apr 2003 18:37 PST |
Various polls have indicated that journalists tend to be more liberal than the population as a whole. http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:ZVmQSznMsEcC:www.ucg.org/articles/gn40/profile.html+poll+journalists+god+liberal+democratic&hl=es&ie=UTF-8 |
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Re: Is the American intelligentsia liberal?
From: nronronronro-ga on 02 Apr 2003 03:07 PST |
Thanks, neilzero, for your views. ron |
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Re: Is the American intelligentsia liberal?
From: nronronronro-ga on 02 Apr 2003 03:09 PST |
Wow, mvguy! That's more data per square inch than I've read in a long time. Thanks for the numbers. I appreciate your taking time to comment. ron |
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Re: Is the American intelligentsia liberal?
From: johnfrommelbourne-ga on 09 Apr 2003 06:37 PDT |
and thanks for the thanks nronro...... on the "different angle" as you put it. Your mate Neil is a bit of a worry though. I think he would charge to take an old lady across the street in heavy traffic rather than allow the event to be "socialised" into a mutually co-operative benefit for both. Perhaps he may like to contemplate that the higher the educated, ( and by implication the more intelligent)the more likley one is to vote Democrat/ Social Democrat. JFM |
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Re: Is the American intelligentsia liberal?
From: rait-ga on 01 Jun 2003 02:34 PDT |
An interesting article on the issue: Robert Nozick, Why Do Intellectuals Oppose Capitalism? http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/cpr-20n1-1.html |
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Re: Is the American intelligentsia liberal?
From: nronronronro-ga on 01 Jun 2003 03:37 PDT |
Thanks, John from Melbourne---good-humored as always ! Also, many thanks to rait----I have always been a Nozick fan, though his recent book, Invariances, was a little too Einsteinian and not enough libertarian. :-) I will read the article you recommended ASAP. Thanks again! I appreciate it. ron |
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