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Subject:
Automorphisms of Free Groups
Category: Science > Math Asked by: randomgraph-ga List Price: $25.00 |
Posted:
07 Apr 2003 00:55 PDT
Expires: 07 May 2003 00:55 PDT Question ID: 187061 |
Let F_2 be the free group on 2 generators (the same question applies to F_n, but I'll be happy with an answer for F_2). I'm looking for an explicit list of elements of F_2 representing the orbits under the action of Aut(F_2). More precisely: I'd like to have a list of words {w_1, w_2, ...} such that for any element w of F_2 there exists a unique w_i and an automorphism f:F_2 -> F_2 with f(w)=w_i. Some comments: "explicit" is the key term here. Existence of such a list is obvious, and it can be defined for instance by taking the first element of each orbit under some lexicographic ordering. This isn't explicit. I'm looking for some "formula" for the w_i, something like "all words of the form x^k [y^l, [x^n, ...]] where [a,b] is the commutator" (not that I think that this one works...) I wouldn't mind if the list is somewhat redundant (i.e. the representative w_i is not unique). Of course this is a bit open ended: the list of all elements of F_2 would do, but that is not what I mean by "somewhat redundant". Say, if a finite (preferably small) number of representatives from each orbit are present, this is fine. I'm aware of Whitehead transformations as generators of Aut(F_2), but I cannot see how to use them to make an explicit list of representatives. With all the research that was done on free groups and their automorphisms, I would imagine the answer is out there somewhere. This is obviously not my field... Thanks! | |
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Re: Automorphisms of Free Groups
From: mathtalk-ga on 07 Apr 2003 11:30 PDT |
Hi, randomgraph-ga: Thanks for the prompt response to my request for clarification. It's my impression that you (the customer) cannot add a comment to a question until someone else has. In any case let me give a reference to a paper from last year by Alexei G. Myasnikov and Vladimir Shpilrain: [Automorphic orbits in free groups] http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/math/pdf/0211/0211157.pdf which may amplify your understanding of the Whitehead algorithm and its application to your problem. In particular one can propose the following "solution" to your problem. Take as a list those words of minimal length among their automorphic equivalents. This is work of the first part of the Whitehead algorithm, which was already known to have quadratic complexity in the length of input word. You now have the list of "reduced length" words in F_n, and each equivalence class contains only finitely many entries in that list. In a narrow sense this meets your original requirements, though obviously whether it is sufficiently constructive to help with the proof of property P remains to be seen. What Myasnikov and Shpilrain showed was that a finite upper bound on the number of automorphically equivalent reduced length words gives a bound on the complexity of the second part of Whitehead's algorithm (checking whether two reduced length words are automorphically equivalent). In the case of F_2 they prove a (sharp) upper bound of 8m(m - 5) for the number of such automorphic equivalents to a word of reduced length m (sharp when m > 8). They conjecture that a polynomial bound exists for F_n, and it is clear by combinatorial counting that the number of reduced length words of a given length in F_n is at least finite. regards, mathtalk-ga |
Subject:
Re: Automorphisms of Free Groups
From: randomgraph-ga on 07 Apr 2003 12:53 PDT |
Hi mathtalk-ga Thank _you_ for the quick response... Also, thanks for the reference, it indeed helps in understanding the complexity of Whitehead's algorithm, although if I understand it correctly the result is "negative" from my point of view: If there are only "a few" (polynomial number of) automorphic equivalents in a given length, it means there are "many" (exponentially many) equivalence classes in any length, so the list I'm looking for becomes large - perhaps prohibitively so. I was indeed hoping that the list would only contain a few elements of any given length. In my narrow minded view, defining the list as the minimal-length representatives of any orbit (with or without attempting to identify equivalences within each length) is not really constructive - it seems to me that it defines the words in a sort of "negative" way: w is in the list if it cannot be shortened by a Whitehead transformation. I'm looking for a "positive" definition: w is in the list if it is of the form ????, or if it can be constructed recursively by starting with XXX and iteratively using the operation A, B, C. Please tell me if this sounds too vague... It makes a lot of sense to me, but that is not saying much, of course. Regards, - randomgraph |
Subject:
Re: Automorphisms of Free Groups
From: mathtalk-ga on 07 Apr 2003 17:41 PDT |
Hi, randomgraph: It may be too pessimistic to conclude that for a given word length, there will be exponentially many. Yes, each orbit can only account (if Myasnikov and Shpilrain are correct) for a polynomial number of reduced words at a fixed length, but we don't know how many reduced words of fixed length there are. It may be that this count grows more slowly than the count of all words of fixed length. Perhaps some computational experiments are in order, at least for the n = 2 case. But of course we should first look around to see if these figures (number of reduced words of a given length) have already been estimated. regards, mathtalk-ga |
Subject:
Re: Automorphisms of Free Groups
From: randomgraph-ga on 07 Apr 2003 20:07 PDT |
True - I wasn't thinking right. So I can still be optimistic... If I don't have a bug (and I might), I think this is the beginning of a minimal representative list. My GAP code (from 3 months ago - already dusty!) is not really efficient, so this takes some time to produce. This is over F_2, of course. I'm using a shorthand notation (a,b,c,d,...) for x^a y^b x^c y^d ... () (1) (2) (3) (4), (2,2), (1,1,-1,-1) (5), (2,3), (1,1,-1, 2), (1,1,-1,-2) (6), (2,4), (1,1,-1, 3), (1,1,-1,-3), (3,3), (1,2,-1,2), (1,2,-1,-2), (1,1,2,-2), (1,1,-2,2), (1,1,-2,-2) Actually there's more, but I'll need to teach my program to use this notation and use it for the output. There are 16 elements of length 7, and I can't find (1,1,1,1,3,4,10,16,...) in the On-Line Encyclopedia for Integer Sequences. Bummer... Regards, - randomgraph |
Subject:
Re: Automorphisms of Free Groups
From: mathtalk-ga on 09 Apr 2003 05:58 PDT |
Hi, randomgraph-ga: The first named author of this extremely recent preprint: [Generic Properties Of Whitehead's Algorithm, Stabilizers In Aut(F_k) and One-Relator Groups] http://www.arxiv.org/PS_cache/math/pdf/0303/0303386.pdf by Ilya Kapovich, Paul Schupp, and Vladimir Shpilrain, has pointed out the following optimal estimate there of the number I(n) of automorphic orbits: I(n) = O( (1/n) * (2k - 1)^n ) containing a word of reduced length n in F_k for any fixed k > 0. regards, mathtalk-ga |
Subject:
Re: Automorphisms of Free Groups
From: randomgraph-ga on 12 Apr 2003 08:47 PDT |
Thanks, mathtalk-ga. I guess this means that I need a great many representatives, right? Namely, about 1/n of the approximately (2k-1)^n words of length n are minimal words, mutually non-automorphic. I'm still not absolutely sure how to see this from the paper, but I'll think about it some more. BTW, in case you're wondering, I'm _not_ the guy who asked the question on sci.math.research... Thanks again for your help, - randomgraph |
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