This is a question for justaskscott if he is out there somewhere!

Scott, you helped me recently with concerns over my website
www.jazznotjazz.co.uk. This is a question about my wifes site.
www.creativeroleplay.co.uk

She has had the site for a while, not even registered with search
engines, and so I have been making some changes. These include title
headers on each page thast can be seen, having two paragraphs on the
inroduction page full of cached phrases, changing the home page to the
introduction page to pick up the cached phrases and finally getting it
registered with search engines. This was all done two weeks ago.

Last time we corresponded you shared some info on webmasterworld. I
have been keeping a close eye on them and notice that the update has
started for this month and is about 12 hours old. I have checked her
site on www3.google.com and their is no improvement in results, in
fact everything is as it was before the changes.

Question: Am I being too impatient and is there still time for the
changes to be made in this monthes update or will my changes not take
place until a later date or ever? The system I used for my own site is
giving me top ten rankings on Google worldwide, #4 in the world for
jazz agency, #1 for london jazz agency, #1 for jazz band for party in
london etc. and I am hoping for the same improvements on my wifes
site.

Scott, yet again, can you put me out of my misery? Best Wishes Pig ga.

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Clarification of Question by pig-ga on 11 Apr 2003 12:50 PDT

Its me again Scott. I have had a good bash at my wifes site on
www2./www3.google.com and am getting some weird results. Interactive
roleplay training is #2 in the world but google doesn`t seem to be
picking up any of the other title headers yet. Also the phrase
"interactive roleplay isn`t in the title headers of the page that is
coming up.

My own site gets a lot of traffic from what I understand to be known
as "doorways" which pick up the web surfers anticipated phrases in the
title headers of other than the first or home page. This doesn`t seem
to be happening yet. Looks like I am going to need your expertise
after all!!! Any answers??

Sorry for messing you about like this. I understand you will be out
for most of the day but we have waited this long, another day will
make no difference. Hope you don`t wake up tomorrow with a hangover!
Best Wishes Jeff aka Pig-Ga

Hello pig-ga,

I'm at the computer after all, and so I thought I should answer your
question.

The short answer is that the current "Google Dance" is apparently
bouncing between the previous version of the web site and an even
older version.  The Google cache will end up with the previous
version, but not with the current version.  The current version will
have to wait for the next update.

As you noted, the update began on April 11, 2003.

"Google Update History", by Brett_Tabke 
WebmasterWorld 
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/2657.htm

If you click on "Cassandra" or "April" on that page, you can view a
discussion on the current update.  (It's interesting that the updates
have names now.  Presumably, the update for May will begin with "D".)

"Update Cassandra! Google Montly Update" (April 11, 2003 to present)
WebmasterWorld
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/11533.htm

eFactory's Google Dance page (at the present time) states that:

"The update is 2/6 completed.

The following data centers have the new index so far:

1. www-ex.google.com
2. www-ab.google.com

The old index is still used by the following data centers:

1. www-cw.google.com
2. www-dc.google.com
3. www-va.google.com
4. www-in.google.com

Searches at www-sj, www-zu and their IP addresses seem to be
redirected to other data centers. We can assume that the two data
centers are currently offline."

"Google Dance - The Index Update of the Google Search Engine" 
eFactory 
http://dance.efactory.de/ 

Indeed, the caches on "www-ex" and "www-ab", and now "www-dc" as well,
are currently different from the other three.  (This may change by the
time you read this answer.)  The caches for www.creativeroleplay.co.uk
on "www-ex", "www-ab", and "www-dc" contain the title: "Creative Forum
- interactive roleplay, problem solving, issue- ...".  The caches at
the other data centers list the title: "CREATIVE FORUM".  The
descriptions are also different.

Compare, for example:

"Showing web page information for www.creativeroleplay.co.uk"
www-ex.google.com
http://www-ex.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=www.creativeroleplay.co.uk

"Showing web page information for www.creativeroleplay.co.uk"
www-in.google.com
http://www-in.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=www.creativeroleplay.co.uk+

The pages www.creativeroleplay.co.uk/cr/intro.php and
www.creativeroleplay.co.uk/cr/backg.php appear on "www-ex", "www-ab",
and "www-dc", but not on "www-cw", "www-va", or "www-in" (though
presumably they will shortly, maybe by the time you read this).  On
the three where they do appear, the caches for the pages contain a
previous title and description.

Here are examples of this:

"Showing web page information for
www.creativeroleplay.co.uk/cr/intro.php"
www-ab.google.com
http://www-ab.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=www.creativeroleplay.co.uk%2Fcr%2Fintro.php&btnG=Google+Search

"Sorry, no information is available for the URL
www.creativeroleplay.co.uk/cr/intro.php"
www-va.google.com
http://www-va.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=www.creativeroleplay.co.uk%2Fcr%2Fintro.php&btnG=Google+Search

The data centers "www-sj" and "www-zu" are back online, and contain
the same results for these pages as "www-ex", "www-ab", and "www-dc".

So it looks like the index will soon end up with the previous version
of the web site's pages.  You can track the progress of the update in
the WebmasterWorld discussion.

Since you made changes before this month's update, they should show up
in next month's, as explained in my original answer:

"Q: Have google perceived my website as spam?"
Google
http://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=160848

As before, I hope that the information I've provided is helpful.

- justaskscott-ga

I will be out for a good part of the day (perhaps even the rest of the
day and evening), so I might not get to your question immediately. 
But since it is somewhat time-sensitive, I will be sure to prioritize
your question when I sit down at the computer again.

Hi, I`m not sure if you got my last clarification/comment so apologies
if I am repeating myself. My current situation is: Yes please look at
my wifes web site for the full $22.00

Hi Scott, I have just come in after a gig I have been playing at and
it is 2.30 a.m. I am a little over refreshed. I have read through your
answer briefly and I have come to the conclusion that it will be
better if I have a look tomorrow. Thanks for your answer. When I have
looked through it I will precis it and ask if you can confirm that I
have got the gist of what you are saying. I hope this is ok with you.
Thanks again for your help and research. Speak again tomorrow. Jeff
aka Pig-Ga

Hi, its 11am here in London, a nice sunny day and the kids are off my
hands for an hour or two. Ok, you have explained things pretty clear
as I see it.

For some reason Google is one step behind the changes in my wifes
site. Ranking Changes to the original site were made approx 7 weeks
ago, in plenty of time for the March update but were not picked up.
Title header changes were made again in plenty of time for the April
update and Google updated to the changes one step back. Ergo, when the
next update occurs, the changes will be updated to the latest
configurations.

I notice that we are already #1 in the world for interactive roleplay
and interactive roleplay conference presentations and #2 in the world
for interactive roleplay training. This seems to support my theory for
the importance for title headers in the rankings game. Come the next
update, and if the title headers work for the other pages, we should
be all over the business  training rankings like a bad rash! In the
meantime it seems that patience will have to be my watchword!

If I have got the drift of what you said perhaps you would kindly just
send back a one or two word confirmation. Thanks again for your quick
and comprehensive explanation. Being someone with limited knowledge in
this field it is invaluable to get some quality advice. Best wishes.
Jeff aka Pig-Ga

I think you've got a good understanding of the situation.