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Statistical certainty: Is it just a streak, or a real change?
Category: Science > Math Asked by: donphiltrodt-ga List Price: $20.00 |
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15 Apr 2003 06:26 PDT
Expires: 16 Apr 2003 04:23 PDT Question ID: 190719 |
I'm curious how to use statistics to distinguish between "luck" and "influence". Example A:___________ Lets say I have a website, and there's a link that gets clicked by 5% of the users on the average. Then, lets say that I move the link in hopes to increase that percentage. How do I determine how long to leave the link in the new location in order to calculate a trustworthy percentage for my average? To illustrate my question further... I could move the link, then analyze what the next 20 visitors did. But I wouldn't trust that number. Or I could wait and analyze what the next 2 million visitors did, but I'd be waiting too long. I could even analyze only 1 million visitors, because I'm guessing that the average for 1 million would be pretty much the same as the average for 2 million. But what math can I use to determine a good "sample size"? Example B:___________ What if I somehow rigged a theoretical die so that two numbers never showed. How many times would I have to roll that die to ensure that my die was successfully rigged? What if I rigged a pair of die? How many times would I have to roll the pair to ensure that my cheating worked, and I wasn't just seeing a "streak"? Example C:___________ Lets say I determine that customers of my Magic Eel-Face BBQ are segmented like this: 80% are brown-eyed; 10% are blue-eyed; 10% are pink-eyed. Then I run an ad that says "We love pink-eyed people." As soon as the ad is printed and released, I start keeping track of my customers' eye-color... but for how long? How many customers (after the ad runs) do I have to analyze in order to be fairly certain that the ad (assuming no other influences) changed the demographics of my BBQ? Would my "minimum reliable sample size" be different if my ad was "We love brown-eyed people"? These are just examples of the principles of "certainty" that I want to learn about. Feel free to use the examples to teach me, but remember that I'm want to understand the principles so I can apply them to other nifty things. I want to know the principles and basic statistics that can help me distinguish between the natural variance in life vs. a real change. When I close this Google Answers question, I hope to have the knowledge and tools to immediately begin calculating a) the influence and b) certainty thereof of my actions (moving a link, rigging the dice, running an ad). Please define all terms, considering that geometry is as far as I got in math. If you can find an Excel spreadsheet that can help me with this, that'd be excellent. Free or low-cost software would better. Feel free to recommend any software <$150. I've purchased and perused "A Cartoon Guide to Statistics". I already understand these concepts... mode median mean variance standard deviation (conceptual understanding only: ignorant on the math/numbers) |
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Re: Statistical certainty: Is it just a streak, or a real change?
From: elmarto-ga on 15 Apr 2003 16:07 PDT |
In order to understand the answer to this question, you would need to know, in addition to what you already stated, Theory of Probability; especially, Probability Distributions. If the answer requires a researcher to explain these topics and then answer your specific question, I really doubt that someone will answer it for $20. I strongly suggest that you check the following link. http://davidmlane.com/hyperstat/logic_hypothesis.html What you want to know is well-studied, and is called Hypothesis Testing. It's not so difficult to grasp; but, as I said, it requires knowledge of Probability Distributions. Best regards, elmarto Google Answers Researcher |
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Re: Statistical certainty: Is it just a streak, or a real change?
From: racecar-ga on 15 Apr 2003 17:51 PDT |
In your first example, if you assume that people fall into two distinct groups, those that will click the link (5%) and those that won't (95%), and that they arrive at the site in a random order, and you count how many of each sequence of 500 visitors click the link, the mean number of clickers will be 25 (n), and the standard deviation of the mean number will be 5 (sqrt[n]). So 'typical' values (within one standard deviation of the mean) are 20 to 30 clickers per 500; values outside of the 15-35 range (two standard deviations from the mean) can be considered unusual. If the percentage were to jump to 7.2%, the mean value would be 36 clickers out of 500, with a standard deviation of sqrt(36) or 6. So again, 'typical': 30-42, 'not unusual': 24-48. Since these ranges overlap with those in the 5% case, you couldn't necessarily determine that the shift was real by looking at only one group of 500 visitors before, and one after, the supposed shift. Now let's say you take groups of 50,000 people. At 5%, that means the mean number of clickers is 2500, and the standard deviation about that mean is sqrt(2500), or 50. So, 'typical': 2450-2550, 'not unusual': 2400-2600. Meanwhile, for a rate of 7.2%, the mean is 3600, the s.d. 60, and the ranges 'typical': 3540-3660 and 'not unusual': 3380-3720. So by looking at 50,000 visitors, you would be certain (in all practical terms) that the shift was real. |
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Re: Statistical certainty: Is it just a streak, or a real change?
From: donphiltrodt-ga on 15 Apr 2003 18:05 PDT |
>>I really doubt that someone will answer it for $20. Thanks for the feedback. I really wish such feedback were more commonplace on Google Answers: the very same ignorance that prompts me to post a question makes it impossible to set a good price. :-/ Thank you also for framing the problem and tipping me off to the appropriate vocabulary. I'll do more investigation and reprice/repost the question as needed. I'll leave the question open for comments, though. |
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