i need images of the jingling johnny or turkish crescent,an antique
turkish military music instrument.how does one look for
pictures(photos) of examples housed in musical instrument collections
at museums,in general,without being site specific.thank you.

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Request for Question Clarification by scriptor-ga on 17 Apr 2003 13:39 PDT

Dear ag77,

I have found some pictures of Turkish Crescents. However, those
pictures do not show the traditional Turkish version of that
instrument, but rather the today better-known form it received in
Western Europe. Also, it proved impossible to find pictures of Turkish
Crescents in museums and collections. So I need to know:
- are "Europeanized" Turkish Crescents what you are looking for?
- how important is it for you to know the museums and collections?

Regards,
Scriptor

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Clarification of Question by ag77-ga on 17 Apr 2003 16:33 PDT

thanx for your question. yes european is absolutely fine. the topkapi
palace in istanbul could still be closed for renovation. that's
probably irrelavent,but icouldn't even find out what they don't have
because,in 1999, the palace museum was closed. most crescents,all
styles, are probably in european museums---as usual. the shrine to
music museum in vermillion south dakota has a good crescent. photo
available?? it would be helpful to know who has
what,specifically.historical percussion is my main focus.i keep
detailed imformation for replication,articles,etc. good luck.thank
you.todd.

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Request for Question Clarification by scriptor-ga on 17 Apr 2003 17:35 PDT

Dear ag77,

I will try to collect the best photographic material I can find on the
Web. For your information: The best way to get very detailed and
recent information on Turkish Crescents would be contacting the German
Army: Surprising as it might sound, every German army band has at
least one of them, and it is actually used. Since the 18th century,
when Prussian artilley musicians adopted it, it is typical for German
military bands.

Regards,
Scriptor

Dear ag77,

Here are the best pictures of Turkish Crescents I could find. I
decided to also inclue current German examples, since the German type
of this instrument - the so-called Schellenbaum - has hardly seen any
changes since the mid-19th century. Actually, changes were almost
exclusively made concerning heraldic details: The "horse tails" at the
crescent's edges are colored black-red-gold now, like the Federal
German Flag. Also, the eagle on top of the instrument holds a flag
with the Federal Eagle. Older Crescents had other colors and insignia.
Please note that the eagle on top is an interesting exception of the
rule: It's still the Prussian Eagle, like 150 years ago.
For each Turkish Crescent, I provided you contact information for the
owners; so if you like, you can request additional information or
photographs directly from them.

I. Turkish Crescent, German Style ("Schellenbaum")

-- Military Types --

1. Historical Schellenbaum, pre-1914, army of the Grand-Dukedom of
Baden:
http://www.wgm-rastatt.de/musikvitrine.gif
Part of the collection of the Military History Museum, Rastatt,
Germany.
Address:
Wehrgeschichtliches Museum Rastatt
Karlstrasse 1
76437 Rastatt
Germany
Phone: +49(0)7222-34244
Fax: +49(0)7222-30712
E-Mail: information@wgm-rastatt.de
Website: http://www.wgm-rastatt.de/

2. Current Schellenbaum, German Army:
http://www.heeresmusikkorps14.de/images/Belgien/Germankl.jpg
Owner: Heeresmusikkorps 14 (Army Band No. 14)
Address:
Heeresmusikkorps 14
Tollense- Kaserne
Weg am Hang 35
17033 Neubrandenburg
Germany 
Phone: +49(0)395-3723189
Fax: +49(0)395-3723192
E-Mail: info@heeresmusikkorps14.de
Website: http://www.heeresmusikkorps14.de/

3. Current Schellenbaum, German Army:
http://www.gebirgsmusikkorps.de/orch_schellenb.jpg
Owner: Gebirgsmusikkorps (Mountain Troops Band)
Address:
Gebirgsmusikkorps 
Äussere Maximilianstr. 2
82467 Garmisch-Partenkirchen
Germany
Phone: +49(0)8821-9430252
Fax: +49(0)8821-9430248
E-Mail: info@gebirgsmusikkorps.de
Website: http://www.gebirgsmusikkorps.de/

-- Civilian Types --

1. Schellenbaum, 1949:
http://www.spielmannszug-schlich.de/Schellenbaum/Schellenbaum.jpg
Owner: Spielmannszug Schlich
Address:
Spielmannszug Grün-Weiß 1949 Schlich e.v.
c/o Franz Madry
Pfarrer-Ossemann-Str. 36
52379 Langerwehe-Schlich 
Germany
Phone: +49(0)2423-106899
E-Mail: vorstand@spielmannszug-schlich.de
Website: http://www.spielmannszug-schlich.de/

2. Current Schellenbaum:
http://www.mindener-buergerbataillon.de/tambour/imgtam/fahtamb.jpg
Owner: Tambourkorps des Mindener Bürgerbataillons
Address:
Mindener Bürgerbataillon
c/o Stadtmajor Wolfgang Meinhardt
Friesenstrasse 8
32423 Minden
Germany
Phone: +49(0)571-8288675
Telefax: +49(0)571-8288699
E-Mail: zamek-meinhardt-gmbh@t-online.de
Website: http://www.mindener-buergerbataillon.de/

3. Historical Schellenbaum, 1869:
http://www.buerger-drensteinfurt.de/Fahne/schell_alt.jpg
Owner: Bürgerschützenverein "St. Johannes"
Address:
Bürgerschützenverein "St. Johannes"
c/o Heinz Fels
Merscher Weg 11
48317 Drensteinfurt
Germany
Phone: +49(0)2508-8378
E-Mail: info@buerger-drensteinfurt.de
Website: http://www.buerger-drensteinfurt.de/

4. Current Schellenbaum with two Crescents:
http://data3.giracom.info/images/artikel_gross/k253g.jpg
5. Current Schellenbaum with one Crescent:
http://data3.giracom.info/images/artikel_gross/k250g.jpg
Manufacturer of both: Josef Klier KG
Address:
Josef Klier KG
Musikinstrumente
Schleifmühlstrasse 6
91456 Diespeck
Germany
Phone: +49(0)9161-2671
Fax: +49(0)9161-4690
E-Mail: info@jk-klier.de
Website: http://www.jk-klier.de/

II. Turkish Crescent, Austrian Style ("Schellenbaum"):
http://www.geocities.com/szmariahilf/allgemein/bilder_sz_instrumente/schellenbaum.jpg
Owner: Spielmannszug Wien-Mariahilf
Address:
Spielmannszug Wien-Mariahilf
c/o Manfred Nebenführ
Mittelgasse 26
1060 Wien
Austria
Phone: +43(0)1-5973125
Website: http://www.geocities.com/szmariahilf/

III. Turkish Crescents, French Style ("Chapeau Chinois")

1. Historical Chapeau Chinois, 1830-1848, French National Guard:
http://www.invalides.org/figz/chapeau-chinois.jpg
Part of the collection of the French Army Museum, Paris, France.
Address:
Musée de l'Armée
Hôtel national des Invalides
129, rue de Grenelle
75007 PARIS
France
Phone: +33(0)1-44423772
Fax: +33(0)1-42731922
E-Mail: bdevaux-ma@invalides.org
Website: http://www.invalides.org/

2. Historical Chapeau Chinois, no detailed information available:
http://www.williampetit.com/chapeauchinois.jpg
Former owner: William Petit, Early Musical Instruments 
Address:
William Petit
41 Rue de la Bienfaisance
94300 Vincennes
France
Phone: +33(0)1-49570533
E-Mail: wpetit@club-internet.fr
Website: http://www.williampetit.com/

Search terms used:

"chapeau chinois"
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schellenbaum
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"chapeau chinois"
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schellenbäume
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"jingling johnny"
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"jingling johnnie"
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schellenbaum
http://www.alltheweb.com/search?cat=img&cs=utf-8&q=schellenbaum
"chapeau chinois"
http://www.alltheweb.com/search?cat=img&cs=utf-8&q=%22chapeau+chinois%22
schellenbaum
http://de.altavista.com/image/results?q=schellenbaum&avkw=xytx&stype=simage
"turkish crescent"
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I hope these pictures prove helpful for you.
Best regards,
Scriptor

well done.excellent service.ga is great.