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Q: obeah redux ( Answered 5 out of 5 stars,   3 Comments )
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Subject: obeah redux
Category: Arts and Entertainment > Movies and Film
Asked by: badabing-ga
List Price: $5.00
Posted: 18 Apr 2003 13:04 PDT
Expires: 18 May 2003 13:04 PDT
Question ID: 192363
for denco please,

hey, thanks for your interest in my "obeah" question.  granny's a natural
born skeptic so would you find her another reference that Obi Wan
Kenobi is named for a synthesizer?

granny's brain follows some weird tracks as I'm sure people will
attest. but then again people make their own inferences about "Star
Wars," like this guy:
http://www.gordonthomas.ie/starwars.html 

and these guys:
http://pub64.ezboard.com/fazagsoccultadytum30670frm4.showMessage?topicID=22.topic

but Frank Herbert's "Dune" also has a reference to obeah here, 
http://www.adherents.com/lit/Na_353.html so I was just curious about
Lucas' influences.

this site says he's Protestant and Joseph Campbell was indeed
influential in developing the storyline:
http://www.adherents.com/adh_sf.html  
however, I am still curious if you can find anything else about the
name origin for Obi Wan.

if granny's sucked the life outta you on this question, just say
"pass," although she hopes her queries remain a respite from those "WTF's
wrong with my website" questions.

thanks for your due diligence, kind sir or madam!
granny

Clarification of Question by badabing-ga on 18 Apr 2003 15:17 PDT
addendum:

just to clarify ... there seem to be several sites on the web that
have similar info to what you found at imdb regarding "trivia about
the film/cast."  I'm looking for something independent of that ...
possibly an interview with Lucas??

I'm not trying to prove Obi Wan is any way related to obeah, I'd just
like further proof that he was named for a synethesizer.

thanks!
granny

Request for Question Clarification by denco-ga on 18 Apr 2003 16:51 PDT
A pleasure Granny!

I am posting this as a Question Clarification Request because I
couldn't find another source for your main question; more on this
below.

First, to the source of the "force" of Star Wars fame.

According to Muriel Verbeeck (Translation: Sylvie Busser):
http://ibelgique.ifrance.com/sw-anthropo/txt/religiontxtangl.html

"According to my sources, Lucas was baptised in a Methodist church and
was
raised with protestant values. Accessible, by his anthropological
processes,
to other forms of spirituality, among others the oriental spirituality
and
particularly buddhism, he defines himself today still as a ‘believer’
– and
directly stresses the difficulty to precise ‘in what or whom’."

Later on the above page, an interview given to Bill Moyers by George
Lucas,
entitled ‘Of Myth and Men. The meaning of the Force and the true
theology of
Star Wars’, George Lucas is quoted as saying:

" ... I put the Force into the movie in order to try to awaken a
certain kind
of spirituality in young people--more a belief in God than a belief in
any
particular religious system."

Jeremy Halcrow, editor of Australia's Southern Cross Newspaper, says:
http://www.shootthemessenger.com.au/u_jun_99/c_phant.htm

"Commentators have been debating for years whether Star Wars draws
more
heavily on Christianity or the pundits' favourite, Buddhism (Star Wars
is
based on Japanese Samuri films). But Lucas, who describes himself as a
Buddhist-Methodist, has made it clear that he consciously wrote Star
Wars
to reach a 'universalist' view of religion."

As to the "force" and George Lucas being connected to Alestair
Crowley,
why not go (just for fun!) all the way to the head honco o' evil
himself?
http://ooze.com/toolofsatan/

A connection between Frank Herbert's "Dune" and Obeah does not
surprise
me one bit as "Dune" et al contains such a polyglot of religions.

As for the Obi-Wan synthesizer connection, a fan's Star Wars page has
"Ben
Burtt Creates Sounds for an Alien World"
http://www.pitt.edu/~kloman/starwars.html

"In 1977, he signed on as George Lucas' sound designer for Star Wars,
creating R2-D2's voice by recording human baby talk, fooling around
with
it electronically, and using his music synthesizer to add the whistles
and beeps."

The Official "Star Wars" site shows Ben Burtt's hand at a synthesizer:
http://www.starwars.com/episode-i/feature/19990118/indexp2.html

George Lucas is not above creating character names in a happenstance
manner:
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/classic/2000/04/classic20000410.html

"R2-D2 cropped up when we were dubbing American Graffiti. We were
working late
one night and looking for Reel 2, Dialogue 2, and somebody yelled out
'R2-D2.'
Both Walter Murch, who was mixing the film, and I loved that name so
much we
decided to keep it."

Alas, I can't find a hard connection between Ben Burtt having an
Oberheim OB-1,
even though it would not be surprising that he might have had one back
in 1977.

And equally alas, no other source to connect the OB-1 to Obi Wan. 
That said,
I couldn't find anyplace (well, reputable) that states anything
different.

Just spurious connections between Obeah and Lucas as well, I
(strongly) suspect.

Looking Forward, (sir) denco-ga
Answer  
Subject: Re: obeah redux
Answered By: denco-ga on 18 Apr 2003 19:43 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
A pleasure Granny! 
 
First, to the source of the "force" of Star Wars fame. 
 
According to Muriel Verbeeck (Translation: Sylvie Busser): 
http://ibelgique.ifrance.com/sw-anthropo/txt/religiontxtangl.html
 
"According to my sources, Lucas was baptised in a Methodist
church and was raised with protestant values. Accessible, by
his anthropological processes, to other forms of spirituality,
among others the oriental spirituality and particularly buddhism,
he defines himself today still as a ‘believer’ - and directly
stresses the difficulty to precise ‘in what or whom’." 
 
Later on the above page, an interview given to Bill Moyers by
George Lucas, entitled ‘Of Myth and Men. The meaning of the Force
and the true theology of Star Wars’, George Lucas is quoted as
saying: 
 
" ... I put the Force into the movie in order to try to awaken a
certain kind of spirituality in young people--more a belief in God
than a belief in any particular religious system." 
 
Jeremy Halcrow, editor of Australia's Southern Cross Newspaper, says: 
http://www.shootthemessenger.com.au/u_jun_99/c_phant.htm
 
"Commentators have been debating for years whether Star Wars draws
more heavily on Christianity or the pundits' favourite, Buddhism
(Star Wars is based on Japanese Samuri films). But Lucas, who
describes himself as a Buddhist-Methodist, has made it clear that 
e consciously wrote Star Wars to reach a 'universalist' view of
religion." 
 
As to the "force" and George Lucas being connected to Alestair
Crowley, why not go (just for fun!) all the way to the head honco
o' evil himself?
http://ooze.com/toolofsatan/
 
A connection between Frank Herbert's "Dune" and Obeah does not
surprise me one bit as "Dune" et al contains such a polyglot of
religions. 
 
As for the Obi-Wan synthesizer connection, a fan's Star Wars page
has "Ben Burtt Creates Sounds for an Alien World" 
http://www.pitt.edu/~kloman/starwars.html
 
"In 1977, he signed on as George Lucas' sound designer for Star
Wars, creating R2-D2's voice by recording human baby talk, fooling
around with it electronically, and using his music synthesizer to
add the whistles and beeps." 
 
The Official "Star Wars" site shows Ben Burtt at a synthesizer:
http://www.starwars.com/episode-i/feature/19990118/indexp2.html
 
George Lucas is not above creating character names in a happenstance
manner:
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/classic/2000/04/classic20000410.html
 
"R2-D2 cropped up when we were dubbing American Graffiti. We were
working late one night and looking for Reel 2, Dialogue 2, and somebody
yelled out 'R2-D2.'  Both Walter Murch, who was mixing the film, and I
loved that name so much we decided to keep it." 
 
Alas, I can't find a hard connection between Ben Burtt having an
Oberheim OB-1, even though it would not be surprising that he might
have had one back in 1977.
 
And equally alas, no other source to connect the OB-1 to Obi Wan. 
That said, I couldn't find anyplace (well, reputable) that states
anything different.
 
Just spurious connections between Obeah and Lucas as well, I
(strongly) suspect.
 
Looking Forward, denco-ga
badabing-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $2.00
thanks for the effort.  I know how tough this was to find since granny
looked herself.  guess only Lucas knows for sure.

Comments  
Subject: Re: obeah redux
From: denco-ga on 18 Apr 2003 16:52 PDT
 
Apologies on the formatting of the above.

denco-ga
Subject: Re: obeah redux
From: badabing-ga on 18 Apr 2003 17:09 PDT
 
s'right, sir denco.  post that puppy!  ;-)
Subject: Re: obeah redux
From: denco-ga on 19 Apr 2003 14:58 PDT
 
Much thanks for the 5 star rating and the (as always) generous tip.

Looking Forward, denco-ga

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