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Subject: Finding a book
Category: Reference, Education and News > Education
Asked by: wr-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 19 Apr 2003 05:40 PDT
Expires: 19 May 2003 05:40 PDT
Question ID: 192638
This book was written by a Dr M'Gregor ( spelling is M'Gregor with the
c left out) pioneer evangelist and poet who
lived in Nova Scotia, Canada. His biographer says he wrote wrote a
book on the realtionship between the Gaelic and Hebrew languages. I am
not sure of the era this man lived either. I am trying to find a copy
of this book and /or track some references to it to see if it can be
reprinted. Rgs WR

Request for Question Clarification by hummer-ga on 19 Apr 2003 12:26 PDT
Hi wr,

We have been researching your question and it has turned out to be
quite the  challenge, partly due to the various spellings of the name
M'Gregor (the spelling is not significant - libraries show all three
spellings for the same person) AND he also went by the name of Rev.
Dr. James Drummond! However, searching all of the sites where the book
should be listed (such as the National Library of Canada) and using
all known variations of his name, we've not been to find a book as you
describe attributed to him. I am going to post a few links - please
have a look at them and confirm that this is at least the right
fellow. By the way, we've also tried searching under his son Peter and
grandson James with no luck.

1. Minister's Name Outlawed?
"If it were not for the difficult, dangerous times that followed the
Battle of Culloden in Scotland, it would have been Rev. James Drummond
who came to Pictou in July 1786.
If it weren't for the Battle of Culloden, perhaps the Highlanders
would not have emigrated to Pictou County. But it did, they did, and
he did.
Clan warfare and oppression being what it was after Culloden, the name
Drummond was outlawed and the family took the name of McGregor.
So it was Rev. Dr. James McGregor who arrived at Pictou on July 22,
1786, to spend his life preaching the Gospel in Pictou County and
beyond.
Grandson James Drummond McGregor (appointed Lieutenant Governor of
Nova Scotia in 1910) bore both family names proudly."
["The MacKay Times of New Scotland," Spring/Summer 1995]  
http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Heritage/FSCNS/Scots_NS/Thr_Yrs/Seen_Heard_Clans.html

2. MacGregor of the Verses": Reverend Doctor James 'Drummond'
MacGregor
" He was referred to as "MacGregor of the verses" for his keen mind
and his poetic abilities.  He wrote a history of "The MacGregors of
Roro" and he wrote a book of Gaelic poems, which he published in
Scotland in 1818.  Many of his creations were sung in Gaelic by his
congregations, (as most could not read or write in English).  He
travelled constantly, often stopping only for a quick meal and a
sermon.  He once preached 37 sermons in three weeks.  He was the only
Protestant preacher in the Pictou area for twenty years."
http://members.tripod.com/~Hal_MacGregor/gregor/NovaScot.html

3. Pictonians at Home and Abroad Electronic Edition Editors:
Claire Smith & Richard MacNeil 
CHAPTER II THE RELIGIOUS HISTORY OF THE COUNTY 
"Dr. McGregor was born in Perthshire, Scotland in 1759. He arrived in
Nova Scotia in July 11, 1786, when he was 27 years of age. He had had
some experience in ministerial work in Scotland. He was a good scholar
and a sound theologian. His knowledge of Gaelic was accurate and his
mastery of the language complete, as may be seen from his "Gaelic
Poems and Hymns," which are still in demand among Highlanders."
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nspictou/elect_text/Pictonians_ch_2.htm

4. FAMOUS (& OUTSTANDING ) MacGREGORS:
"MacGregor, Reverend Dr. James Drummond (1759-1830) This singular man
was born in Portmore, near Loch Earn when the MacGregor name was still
proscribed, hence the alias of 'Drummond.' While studying at
University in Edinburgh, he legally changed his surname to the
original "MacGregor". He studied Gaelic, became fluent, and impressed
his seniors so that he was chosen by the Scottish Presbyterian Synod
to preach to the exclusively Gaelic-speaking highland settlers in
Pictou, Nova Scotia - and subsequently landed there in July of 1786.
He  quickly became a father figure to all the Protestant Highlanders
in northern Nova Scotia and southern New Brunswick, and Prince Edward
Island. He was revered by all his parishioners and was the only
preacher in northern Nova Scotia for over twenty years. He was known
as 'MacGregor of the verses' for his keen mind and his poetic
abilities. He wrote an authoritative history of the "MacGregors of
Roro", and a book of Gaelic Poems", which was published in Scotland in
1818."
http://members.tripod.com/~Hal_MacGregor/gregor/famous.html

Just three sites that we searched for the book:

1. Novanet, a consortium of ten Nova Scotia Libraries:
http://venus.novanet.ns.ca:8080/html/geaclogin.html

2. National Library of Canada: Amicus:
http://amicus.nlc-bnc.ca/aaweb-bin/aamain/rqst_sb?sessionKey=1050765445040_216_209_243_112&l=0&lvl=1&v=0&rv=1&r=4&i=NA&hdg=2270114&bc=26&t=%22+MacGregor,+James,+1759-1830%22&dt=%22+MacGregor,+James,+1759-1830%22&spi=-&rt=1&bill=1

3. Angus L. Macdonald Library - St. Francis Xavier University
http://libmain.stfx.ca/newlib/

Suggested Reading: The Canadian Encyclopedia Online:
Roland H. Sherwood, "Pictou's Pioneer Minister," Nova Scotia
Historical Quarterly 5, 4 (1975): 337-352; Peter Bush, "James Drummond
MacGregor," in Called to Witness: profiles of Canadian Presbyterians,
1-9 III (1991).
http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&TCE_Version=A&ArticleId=A0004908&MenuClosed=0

So to end, please confirm that this is the person you are referring
to. I've emailed several libraries and associations, but due to the
holidays, I probably won't hear back from anyone until Tuesday or
beyond. As things stand now, either your book is so totally obscure
that noone knows about it, or, there was never actually a book
published on that topic but rather just a chapter or two in some other
publication. Where did you hear about it and what biography are you
referring to?

Will look forward to hearing from you,
hummer

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 19 Apr 2003 14:42 PDT
Might this possibly be the book you're looking for, by a MacIntyre
rather than a M'gregor?

"On the antiquity of the Gaelic language shewing its affinity to
Hebrew, Greek, and Latin, superseding the Masoretic points, and
furnishing a key to the Hebrew vowel sounds: an essay."

MacIntyre, Donald, Rev. 1865.


From what I could tell, MacIntyre did not have any other names he was
known by, although this is always a possibility.
Answer  
Subject: Re: Finding a book
Answered By: justaskscott-ga on 19 Apr 2003 17:30 PDT
 
Hello wr-ga,

Hummer-ga gave up just a little too soon.  The work is called "The
analogy of the Gaelic and Hebrew languages, ... to which is added, a a
collection of Gaelic words derived from the Hebrew", by James Drummond
MacGregor.

"Manuscripts Catalogue - Document Details - Analogy of the Gaelic and
Hebrew languages" [click on links near bottom of page for more details
on the author, provenance, and depositor]
Department of Special Collections
Glasgow University Library
http://special.lib.gla.ac.uk/manuscripts/search/detaild.cfm?DID=62668

You can browse this web site for more information about access to and
reproduction of special collections materials, and for contact
information:

Department of Special Collections
Glasgow University Library
http://special.lib.gla.ac.uk/

This work does not appear to be available for sale on online
bookstores, or at the British Library, Oxford Libraries, or National
Library of Canada.  (It is conceivable that it is at the National
Library of Scotland ( http://www.nls.uk/ ), but for some reason, the
site is not working at the moment.)

I hope that this information is helpful.

- justaskscott-ga


Search term used on Google:

"drummond macgregor"

Clarification of Answer by justaskscott-ga on 19 Apr 2003 22:27 PDT
I should note that hummer-ga did an excellent job in finding
information on Dr. MacGregor.  When I say that hummer-ga "gave up a
little too soon", I meant that if hummer-ga was close to finding the
answer, but accidentally overlooked a search that would have resulted
in the answer.  Sometimes that happens -- to me, to hummer-ga, or to
any other Researcher.  Since hummer-ga was apparently relying on
potential responses to e-mails, which might or might not produce
useful information, and since I found the answer on the Internet, I
thought that I should post the answer.

Clarification of Answer by justaskscott-ga on 19 Apr 2003 22:39 PDT
There's a stray "if" in my clarification.  The second sentence of the
clarification should actually say, "... I meant that hummer-ga was
close to finding the answer ...."

Request for Answer Clarification by wr-ga on 20 Apr 2003 09:44 PDT
Hummer, yes this looks like the man. Poet, evangelist and spoke gaelic
so no wonder he was looking at the conection between the languages. I
found the ref on page 55 of a book by Barry Dunford titled The Holy
Land of Scotland (Jesus in Scotland and the Gospel of the Grail)
published by sacred Connections in Scotland.  A biographer (unnamed)
says M'Gregor wrote on the connection of the two languages.  I assume
you can read the other searchers posts so it seems it may turn up in
one of these libraries. Thanks for such a swift response. I will try
the library connections and keep you posted. Rgs WR

Request for Answer Clarification by wr-ga on 20 Apr 2003 09:47 PDT
pafalafa, i am not sure if his name was changed - the only info I have
was what I posted but seeother posts on the search. I am still
intereted in yr macintyre connection as well and how to obtain this
essay as it fits in with "MGregors" work. Rgs WR

Clarification of Answer by justaskscott-ga on 20 Apr 2003 10:05 PDT
It seems that you have responded to the two requests for question
clarification by hummer-ga and pafalala-ga.  You have posted your
responses as requests for answer clarification, of which only I (as
the person who posted an answer) receive a direct notification.  If
you are interested in potentially compensating hummer-ga or
pafalafa-ga for the work they have done or might do for you, you may
wish to open two separate questions, one for each of them.

Request for Answer Clarification by wr-ga on 21 Apr 2003 06:50 PDT
to justaskscott, aplogies for any confusion. My first question to
google so finding my way around the system and how it works. I did
type a reply to you as well but maybe did not hit the post request
button or something as it does not show up. Anyway you have found the
book in a very short time and I am very grateful. I will try the
library to see availability of reprints etc.  I do not have any other
questions at the moment for the others but thought I was supposed to
respond to each reply. How does the system work anyway. Does the
payment only go to the person with the answer and how do tips operate?
How are the ratings posted? Many thanks WR

PS for yr info, I found another ref to a Sir James MacGregor who was
Dean of Lismore - an island in Argyllshire - around 1511. There is a
book called the Dean of Lismore's Book which is a compilation of
ancient gaelic poetry by James and his brother Duncan which also
records family genealogy back to the ancient Scottish Kings or the
Caledonian Gael/Grail lineage. So JD MGregor was more than likely an
ancestor and carried on the traditions or poetry and ministry.

Clarification of Answer by justaskscott-ga on 21 Apr 2003 07:07 PDT
Thank you for your reply.

The payment does go only to the person who posted the answer; that was
why I had suggested the possibility of additional questions for the
other Researchers.

As for ratings, tips, and other aspects of the Google Answers system,
you may want to look at this helpful tutorial put together by a fellow
Researcher:

"What to do after you ask a question on Google Answers", by
Christopher Wu
Poetry & Prose
http://www.christopherwu.net/google_answers/
Comments  
Subject: Re: Finding a book
From: hummer-ga on 21 Apr 2003 04:29 PDT
 
Dear WR,

Thank you for your nice note with confirmation that I had found the
right MacGregor. I enjoyed doing the research - he certainly must have
been an interesting chap who lived an equally interesting life.

I'm happy for you that the allusive title has been found - 
Sincerely,
hummer
Subject: Re: Finding a book
From: pafalafa-ga on 21 Apr 2003 06:06 PDT
 
Wr-ga,

Glad to see you found what you're looking for.  As for the McIntyre
book, I found it at the Novanet site:

http://venus.novanet.ns.ca:8080/html/geaclogin.html 

which, for some reason, isn't working for me at the moment.  But my
search terms were simply [ Gaelic and Hebrew ] and they returned the
one book I cited above.  Hope this is useful.

pafalafa-ga

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