Were birth certificates ever used as 'negotiable instruments' such as
checks etc. in the banking world. I'm told by very credible sources
that 'we' as well as our 'labor', 'children', 'property' etc. have
secretly been put up as collateral to the U.S. govt. to pay off the
debt to the Federal Reserve. I'm told this started in the early 1900's
and the 14th amendment solidified this, in that everyone born in the
U.S. is 'put' into this 'system' unwittingly. I'm also told that the
old birth certificates used to literally say 'BANKER'S NOTE' on them.
Please help me find this out. I desperately
need to know and MOST IMPORTANTLY NEED A 'COPY' (or original) OF ONE
OF THE BIRTH CERTIFICATES THAT SAYS THIS; Or at least know where to
acquire one. THANK YOU.

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Request for Question Clarification by justaskscott-ga on 21 Apr 2003 10:31 PDT

Like the other Researchers who have worked on your question, I have
not found any indication that birth certificates can be or have been
used as negotiable instruments.  However, I have found a significant
amount of information that birth certificates are often printed on the
type of paper used for bank notes.  Would that information be a
sufficient answer?

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Request for Question Clarification by justaskscott-ga on 21 Apr 2003 12:19 PDT

Well, unfortunately, I do not have evidence that they were used as
negotiable instruments.  If you would like, you could open a separate
question (at whatever price you think appropriate) requesting
information on the use of the same type of paper for birth
certificates and bank notes.

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Request for Question Clarification by justaskscott-ga on 21 Apr 2003 15:12 PDT

You actually haven't paid $100 yet.  You are only charged the $100 if
someone posts an answer in the answer space.  I wouldn't want to post
an answer unless the information was worth $100 to you.

So let me know whether I should post an answer, or whether you would
rather open a lower-priced question to obtain information on this
topic.

This may interest you:
http://www.freedomdomain.com/bankfed.htm

Note to Researchers: See the previous question at:

http://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=36314

Regarding the 'Bank note paper', Scott, that would be a piece of the
puzzle, however, I need more solid evidence that they were/are
actually used as negotiable instruments, signifying our worth/value as
U.S. citizens. Pass the info on to me that you have, because that will
help, but please keep looking.

Thanks,

Scott

The questioner presupposes that this use of birth certificates is
actual and he just wants confirmation of what he already knows. 
However, I would say with 99.9% certainty that birth certificates used
a bank notes for collateral is not true.

Scott,

Whatever answer you've got will suffice at this point. I've already
paid $100.00. Are you not able to give me what you've already got on
the subject? Why would I want to pay another fee to receive the
information you've found already? Let me know what you've found,
please.

Thanks,

Scott

Dear quater,

Just for your information:

- carga-ga is not a Google Answers Researcher, only a private person
posting comments. Real Researchers have blue, underlined names you can
click with the mouse - like mine. Please do not judge Google Answers
from the comments of some private individuals.

- You have not already paid $100. You will not be billed until you
received a satisfying answer from a Google Answers Reseachers. Should
you not get an answer, you will only have to pay the $0.50 basic fee
for posting your question here.

Best regards,
Scriptor

Scott, thanks for the clarification. I will go ahead and post a
question regarding what you've found. (Thanks for being honest.) It
should be up in a minute.

Thanks again.

Please continue to research this topic. We need to find an answer.

Hi, quater-ga:

It is hard to find much of a kernel of historical fact in the story as
you have related it.

First off, the current Federal Reserve Banks did originate in the
early 1900's:

[Federal Reserve History]
http://minneapolisfed.org/info/sys/history/

"The Federal Reserve System is the central bank of the United States.
Congress created the Federal Reserve through a law passed in 1913,
charging it with a responsibility to foster a sound banking system and
a healthy economy."

The impetus for the Congressional mandate was the Banking Panic of
1907.  While not the first central bank to have been established by
the United States, it has evolved into an important semi-autonomous
instrument of monetary policy, esp. important in the aftermath of
Pres. Nixon's decision in 1971 to abandon the gold standard for
American dollars.

However it is difficult, almost to the point of impossibility, to make
sense of the idea that birth certificates are used as collateral to(?)
the U.S. government "to pay off the debt to the Federal Reserve". 
What one might argue quite reasonably is that the ramifications of
American tax and monetary policy since Pres. Nixon have caused a
spiralling loss of "net property ownership" through debt and labor
taxation among the American middle and lower economic classes.

Birth certificates are negotiable commodities only to those engaged in
providing or obtaining false identity papers.

The notion that the 14th Amendment "solidified" this process has to be
rejected as anachronistic.

[14th Amendment to U.S. Constitution]
(about 1/4th of the way down the page)
http://memory.loc.gov/const/amend.html

The Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution was ratified and
became law in 1868.  Although it deals primarily with an inclusive
definition of American citizenship, equal protection and due process
under state laws, it does have a section dealing with the validity of
debts incurred by the federal government during the war (and the
invalidation of debts incurred by Confederate rebellion and
nonliability for loss due to emancipation of slaves).

regards, mathtalk-ga

The birth certificate notion you are looking for originated in the
'tax protestor' community.  Here are the arguments, but they really
are without merit:

"Did you know that the continuing federal debt and the annual budget
is based on the average probable lifetime earnings of a child at
birth, using the averaged combined incomes of the parents as a gauge?
And to secure that debt, the child is pledged to the corporate U.S. as
chattel? (Now we know why your birth certificate was filed with the
Department of Commerce.) The corporate U.S. is the 'village' we keep
hearing HIllary talk about. She is only telling the truth when she
says it takes the federal government (The Corporate Village) to raise
a child. Parental control? Not any more! Try spanking your child and
you will be tried for endangering the re-payment of the federal debt.
Now we know why the feds became involved in educating the kids per
Goals 2000. They need to insure that the kids take their place at the
mills when they grow up as content, dumbed-down, industrial workers
for the world... the Droning of America."

"Whether you like it or not you are a party to those hidden contracts
from the day that you were issued a birth certificate.
These birth certificates are amassed by the federal government and
traded in offshore programs based on your future earnings as a
PRESUMED TAXPAYER, similar to how futures in the stock market are
traded. Corporations can legally do this with their PROPERTY, but not
governments.
These offshore programs were, at least as recently as 1903 established
from 2 or more Trust that the Feds set up in Puerto Rico to run the
monies of the people thru so they could not be taxed or regulated. Yet
onshore it is a different story unless you set up in Delaware which
has non-disclosure POLICIES."

http://www.quatloos.com/tax-protestors-forum.htm

quater...

Here's an interesting thread, in which 'StaRCrAzE 2000' suggests
something very similar to what you're saying in regard to the
Canadian government and Canadian birth certificates. 

What's especially interesting is that one of the other contributors,
'John Doe', examined his birth certificate, and found, on the back,
"Revenue Receipt D XXXXXX For Treasury use only." The Xs are numbers,
withheld for privacy. The thread is on an ezboard site:
http://pub6.ezboard.com/fpoliticscanadaforumcanada.showMessage?topicID=185.topic

Perhaps your credible sources are referring to the Canadian
government, or maybe there's a similar situation in both countries.

sublime1-ga

carca-
Don't worry about the reaction to your comment. I have found that
people around here get very agitated when you disagree or criticize
information provided by a researcher. You are absolutely correct that
the link provided in the first comment should not have been posted
because the information contained on that page is from someone who
does not understand the federal reserve system.