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Subject:
Riddle
Category: Arts and Entertainment Asked by: kathy1952-ga List Price: $2.00 |
Posted:
24 Apr 2003 06:05 PDT
Expires: 24 Apr 2003 13:04 PDT Question ID: 194753 |
Brothers and sisters I have none but my neice's nephew is my uncles son. Who am I? |
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Re: Riddle
From: markj-ga on 24 Apr 2003 07:21 PDT |
kathy1952-- I tried this one for fun, but I couldn't nail it down completely, so I am posting this as a comment, not an answer, unless and until you confirm that this is the "answer" you are looking for. My problem is that I have not been able to confirm that a nun is an "ecclesiastic" for the purpose of the special dictionary definition of "nephew" (you'll see what I mean when you read my "answer"). Anyway, here's my best shot: You are a priest who took a vow of celibacy, then fathered an illegitimate daughter (who would be called your "niece," under a standard dictionary definition of that term). Your "niece" grew up and became a nun and took a vow of celibacy, then had an illegitimate son (her "nephew," under a dictionary definition of the term) by your natural uncle. Thus (even though you have no brothers or sisters) you have a "niece," who had a baby boy by your natural uncle. Under standard dictionary definitions, that boy is your "niece's" "nephew" and your uncle's "son." The relevant American Heritage Dictionary definitions of "niece" and "nephew" are: Niece: "The illegitimate daughter of an ecclesiastic who has taken a vow of celibacy." Nephew: "The illegitimate son of an ecclesiastic who has taken a vow of celibacy." Source: American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition, Houghton Mifflin (2000) markj-ga |
Subject:
Re: Riddle
From: justaskscott-ga on 24 Apr 2003 07:58 PDT |
This sort of riddle is very common in a form such as "Brothers and sisters have I none, but this man's father is my father's son." In that riddle, there is an answer that uses the most common definitions of "father" and "son": the answer is that the person telling the riddle is "this man". The "father" need not be a father-in-law, a priest, etc., and the son need not be anything but a regular son. However, the only way to obtain an answer to the riddle you have posed is to redefine "niece" from its most common definition of the "daughter of one's brother or sister". You need an in-law, a spouse, a priest, or perhaps a half-sibling or adopted sibling (or some deus ex machina) to intervene in order for the puzzle to work. I'll just opine that since the second most common definition of "niece" is "daughter of the brother or sister of one's spouse" (which chesireboo appears to have hinted at), the solution to the riddle is that the daughter of the sibling of one's spouse in turn had a sister who had a son with one's uncle. |
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Re: Riddle
From: ac67-ga on 24 Apr 2003 09:09 PDT |
You are kathy1952 |
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Re: Riddle
From: journalist-ga on 24 Apr 2003 09:20 PDT |
You are an adopted child or your brothers and sisters are deceased. |
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Re: Riddle
From: justaskscott-ga on 24 Apr 2003 09:27 PDT |
Re journalist-ga's comment: In my view, the "adopted" solution doesn't work; once you are adopted, you would probably think of your parents' biological children as brothers and sisters to you. However, I think that the "brothers and sisters are deceased" solution is really clever. It gets around what had seemed to me to be the intractable problem of needing to redefine "niece" from its most common meaning. I suggest that journalist-ga should be allowed to answer the question. |
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Re: Riddle
From: journalist-ga on 24 Apr 2003 09:27 PDT |
Or ask JustAskScott said above, you are the in-law. |
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Re: Riddle
From: flajason-ga on 24 Apr 2003 10:45 PDT |
You are your own Great Aunt/Uncle If Male, you would have had to have married one of your maternal grandparent's sisters, and vice versa, if you are female, you would have had to marry one of your maternal granparent's brothers. Here's a chart that will (hopefully) explain it - (Your Grandparents) - (Your Great Uncle)<married>(You) || (Your Mother aka Your Niece) - (Your Uncle (mother's brother)) || || YOU (if female) (Your Uncle's son (aka your niece's nephew)) Just reverse Great Uncle for Great Aunt if male. Reminds me of the song "I Am My Own Grandpa" http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Forum/2288/song.html Regards, -flajason |
Subject:
Re: Riddle
From: kathy1952-ga on 24 Apr 2003 13:00 PDT |
I have to say I do not yet know the answer. The riddle was a challenge from a retired police detective who is receiving radiation treatments for cancer. It has been driving my co-workers and me crazy. He will tell us if we guess it right but if not we have to wait until the end of his treatments which are about a month away. We have guessed just about everything but not the solution proposed by flajason. I propose this solution tomorrow and let you know if it is right. Thanks for the help. Kathy1952 |
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