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Subject:
Plural form of "croix"?
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference Asked by: nautico-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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25 Apr 2003 06:11 PDT
Expires: 25 May 2003 06:11 PDT Question ID: 195249 |
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Re: Plural form of "croix"?
Answered By: leli-ga on 25 Apr 2003 06:52 PDT Rated: |
Hello nautico Yes, "croix" is both singular and plural, which makes things easy, as I completely agree with you that croix, not guerre, is the word which needs to be pluralized. Although I was confident of this from my knowledge of French, I also wanted to show you the word pluralized that way in examples of the written language. A search for examples of two or three described as "deux (2) croix de guerre" or "trois (3) croix de guerre" produced these results: ://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22deux+OR+trois+croix+de+guerre%22&sa=N&tab=iw Amongst the pages found by this search there are various pictures and descriptions of coats of arms etc. with two or "deux croix de guerre", for example this one on the Illzach website: http://www.ville-illzach.fr/index3.php?tpl=1_1_3 This correct way of writing about more than one croix de guerre is the usual English form, although I do note the occasional exception! See these search results: ://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22two+croix+de+guerre%22&btnG=Google+Search&meta= Also check this guide to French pluralization: "The French also use the letters s, x, and z to make plurals. What happens if you have a French noun that ends in one of these letters? Absolutely nothing!" From "Grammar in a Flash" http://www.idiotsguides.com/Chapters/0028631463_PIG_French/file.htm I hope this helps. Please don't hesitate to ask for clarification if anything needs further explanation and I will be happy to assist. Regards - Leli additional search: ://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=french+plurals+OR+pluralization+croix+&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
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Re: Plural form of "croix"?
From: leli-ga on 25 Apr 2003 07:06 PDT |
Many thanks for the tip, stars and kind comment. I'm glad I could help. Leli |
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Re: Plural form of "croix"?
From: uriel-ga on 25 Apr 2003 09:03 PDT |
Interestingly, though, even if the English plural is spelled like the singular, it might be pronounced differently - as happens with other French loan-words, such as corps, chassis, faux-pas, rendez-vous, and précis. Hence "two croix de guerre" may be pronounced "tu krwaz de ger" rather than "tu krwa de ger". |
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Re: Plural form of "croix"?
From: nautico-ga on 25 Apr 2003 09:19 PDT |
MAY be pronounced "krwaz" or IS so pronounced? |
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Re: Plural form of "croix"?
From: uriel-ga on 25 Apr 2003 12:22 PDT |
I say MAY since none of the online dictionaries list a plural form, so this is all educated guesswork. Someone with access to the OED or similar should be able to settle this, though. |
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Re: Plural form of "croix"?
From: nautico-ga on 25 Apr 2003 13:35 PDT |
I have the New Shorter OED, though didn't even think of looking "croix" up in it. Now that I have, I see that although "croix" isn't listed alone, "Croix de Guerre is," and it does say the plural form is the same. Only one pronunciation is shown, however: "krwa de ger." |
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Re: Plural form of "croix"?
From: uriel-ga on 25 Apr 2003 15:18 PDT |
Pity.. I suppose one should never count on consistency in English! Still, the closest example I can think of is 'grand prix' (sometimes spelled 'grands prix'), where both plural pronunciations -pree and preez- are permissible. |
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