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Subject: Need explanation on Jehovah's Witness religion
Category: Relationships and Society > Religion
Asked by: spencercat-ga
List Price: $9.50
Posted: 28 Apr 2003 12:48 PDT
Expires: 28 May 2003 12:48 PDT
Question ID: 196660
I am on a flight tomorrow morning to mediate a dispute with our
family.  The members of our family are Buddhist, Christian, Agnostic,
and now Jehovah's Witness.  The person who has joined the Jehovah's
Witness (JW) church is very devisive and intolerent of the others'
beliefs.

One of the recurring problems has to do with family events such as
Easter, Birthdays, and Chistmas.  It seems the JW's cannot participate
or share in certain activities or with people who do not believe as
they do.

I need information that will give me a framework to have a good,
respectful discussion about the JW's and a strategy on how
non-believers could interact with them without compromising their
belief.

Request for Question Clarification by kriswrite-ga on 28 Apr 2003 12:52 PDT
Are you seeking information on how to respectfully point out that JW's
beliefs about holidays are, in your view, incorrect? Or are you
looking for information as to why JW believe holidays should not be
celebrated? Or are you simply seeking background info on what the JW
religion is all about?

Kriswrite

Clarification of Question by spencercat-ga on 28 Apr 2003 14:25 PDT
I guess I'm having difficulty with the intolerence aspects. 
Personally, I don't care if they worship rocks, so I have no
motivation to convert them to some other religion.

What I believe or not believe is also irrelevent, it's only important
that I respect what they believe, as I would anyones faith.  I'm just
having difficulty with what appears to be a rather hard line on the
part of JW's not being tolerant of other people's religious beliefs.

It seems that JW's disassociate from anyone who doesn't believe as
they do, including family.  What I need is a quick snapshot of the
religion and I would like to understand how a JW and a non-JW can
coexist without conflict and without the JW member being
disfellowshipped, especially around holidays.

I love analogies.  If I celebrate Christmas and my JW family member
doesn't want to visit because it is forbidden by the JW's as against
their beliefs, yet my family member will visit me the next week when
it's not a holiday, isn't that like not being around for a murder but
later hanging out with the murderer?  The act and the actor really
cannot be separated.

Anyway, I hope this clarifies my original question.

Thanks for working on this.
Answer  
Subject: Re: Need explanation on Jehovah's Witness religion
Answered By: tehuti-ga on 28 Apr 2003 14:33 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Hello spencercat

Jehovah’s Witnesses have a very categorical opinion about the
celebrations you mention, as evidenced in this extract from their
official web site at
http://www.watchtower.org/library/rq/article_11.htm:

“Christmas and Easter: Jesus was not born on December 25. He was born
about October 1, a time of year when shepherds kept their flocks
out-of-doors at night. (Luke 2:8-12) Jesus never commanded Christians
to celebrate his birth. Rather, he told his disciples to memorialize,
or remember, his death. (Luke 22:19, 20) Christmas and its customs
come from ancient false religions. The same is true of Easter customs,
such as the use of eggs and rabbits. The early Christians did not
celebrate Christmas or Easter, nor do true Christians today.
Birthdays: The only two birthday celebrations spoken of in the Bible
were held by persons who did not worship Jehovah. (Genesis 40:20-22;
Mark 6:21, 22, 24-27) The early Christians did not celebrate
birthdays. The custom of celebrating birthdays comes from ancient
false religions. True Christians give gifts and have good times
together at other times during the year.”

What is more, the web site gives the following advice: “It may be very
hard to abandon some of these beliefs and customs. Relatives and
friends may try to convince you not to change your beliefs. But
pleasing God is more important than pleasing men.—Proverbs 29:25;
Matthew 10:36, 37.”

Another page on the same site explains the punishment that is meted
out to a Jehovah’s Witness, who is accused of going against their
dogma.  This is excommunication or “disfellowship”, which means,
basically that the person is totally shunned by other Jehovah’s
Witnesses, even if they are family.  “God's fatherly discipline, which
can affect our spiritual lives, can take many forms. One is his
arrangement to exclude from the Christian congregation a person who no
longer wants to live by God's standards, or who refuses to do so. A
person who is thus strongly chastised or disciplined may repent and
turn around. In the process, the congregation of loyal ones are also
disciplined in that they learn the importance of conforming to God's
high standards. —1 Timothy 1:20.”  Here are the comments of one member
about the disfellowshipping of her sister: “"Cutting ourselves off
completely from all association with [my disfellowshipped sister]
Margaret tested our loyalty to Jehovah's arrangement. It gave our
family opportunity to show that we really believe that Jehovah's way
is best.”
http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/1988/4/15/article_01.htm 

In the words of a former Jehovah’s Witness “All Jehovah's Witnesses
must accept the teachings of the Society without demur. Independent
thinking is not allowed and is liable to attract the attention of the
Judicial Committee, consisting of elders of the Kingdom Hall. These
committees have the power to disfellowship (ex-communicate) for a wide
variety of reasons ranging from immorality to displaying a Christmas
card.  The Watchtower Society practices "shunning" of members and
former members of the organisation who have disagreed with any
doctrine. This involves severing all contact with friends and family
members, including parents and children. A Jehovah's Witness who does
not follow this practice is himself threatened with
disfellowshipping.”
“Testimony of Anne Hillsdon”
http://www.reachouttrust.org/regulars/articles/testimony/hillsdon.htm

The implications of disfellowship, to a believing Jehovah’s Witness,
are not just the loss of all social ties, and perhaps even family
ties, within the congregation, but also loss of the hope of salvation
and resurrection, the same hope which formed the original impetus for
becoming a member of this religion: “Wrongdoers are considered as
"leaven" that will ferment a lump of bread dough (if not removed) and
negatively viewed as a contaminating influence on the "clean
congregation." Those branded wrongdoers by the elders are "unclean"
and even consider ed unworthy of everlasting life in God's kingdom.
God is considered to have turned His back on them for their
wrongdoing, and their only future hope rests on the organization
reinstating them before Armageddon starts (Watchtower teaches this is
a worldwide destruction by God, basedon their interpretation of
Revelation)…. Based on this line of reasoning, some DFed individuals
believe it is best to terminate their lives now (commit suicide),
rather than risk being found in a "disapproved state" at Armageddon.”
http://home.powertech.no/festus/j/jwe/36571.shtml From Watchtower
Inquiry, by a “Recovering Jehovah's Witness”

So the intolerance that is being expressed by your relative is very
possibly a sign of fear as much as of his/her faith, because the
family’s insistence that s/he participates in birthdays and holidays
is, in his/her eyes, seen as an attempt to force him/her into
apostasy, by indulging in the practices of “false religions” and thus
into losing all hope for the future.  A Jehovah’s Witness is expected
to obey the principles of this church unhesitatingly and without
compromise. Anything less is considered to be a betrayal.

One possible way forward might be to remove the moral pressure on your
relative to celebrate birthdays, Christmas and Easter with the family.
 The very first citation provided above includes the sentence: “True
Christians give gifts and have good times together at other times
during the year.” If your family is able to accept such “other times”
and create special but non-controversial occasions when you can all
show your love and affection for each other in various ways, this will
go a long way to resolving the dispute between you.

More information about the Jehovah’s Witnesses:

http://www.watchtower.org/ The official web site of the Jehovah’s
Witnesses

http://www.beliefnet.com/boards/discussion_list.asp?boardID=28081 A
bulletin board run by Jehovah’s Witnesses: “Not a Jehovah’s Witness?
Want to learn about Jehovah’s Witnesses teaching and practice?
Respectful questions are welcome here, and Jehovah’s Witnesses members
of Beliefnet will help you answer them.”

http://www.beliefnet.com/boards/discussion_list.asp?boardID=28082
Another Belief Net bulletin board, with the same host, but a broader
remit: “This is a forum to debate issues concerning Jehovah’s
Witnesses. Provocative and controversial questions and comments are
invited, but you must stay within the limits of the Beliefnet Rules of
Conduct. Be courteous and respectful to others here even when beliefs
differ.”

http://www.freeminds.org/ “brought to you by Free Minds, Inc. a
non-profit organization keeping an eye on the Watchtower (Jehovah's
Witnesses) We are not affiliated with any religious organization”

http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/ Extensive site by ex
Jehovah’s Witness, with many articles and stories, a discussion board,
and a large listing of  related sites.

Search strategy: 1. “Jehovah’s Witnesses” Easter birthdays  2.
“Jehovah’s Witnesses” disfellowship significance

Request for Answer Clarification by spencercat-ga on 28 Apr 2003 16:56 PDT
Great answer!

In the course of your research did you find any discussion on how JW's
view non-members that have rejected their attempts to convert or have
otherwise refused to believe their doctrine.  I understand that
shunning or DF'ing members occurs between members, but what is the
guideline they follow when associating with non-believers?

Clarification of Answer by tehuti-ga on 28 Apr 2003 18:00 PDT
Hi spencercat,

The official JW web site implies a softer attitude to those “outside”
than to defectors from “within”:

“Christians do not hold themselves aloof from people. We have normal
contacts with neighbors, workmates, schoolmates, and others, and
witness to them even if some are 'fornicators, greedy persons,
extortioners, or idolaters.' Paul wrote that we cannot avoid them
completely, 'otherwise we would have to get out of the world.'”
http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/1988/4/15/article_01.htm
NB This is the URL for the first citation in my answer.  The change in
address has occurred in the last few hours!

It also says:
“CHRISTIANS are commanded to "make disciples of people of all the
nations," but this does not mean that they are to use pressure or
convert others by force… Jehovah's Witnesses try to recommend the good
news to others in this way also: by being exemplary in the Christian
conduct that they recommend to others. They try to 'do unto others as
they would have others do unto them.' (Matthew 7:12) They try to be
this way with all men, not just with fellow Witnesses, friends,
neighbors, or relatives. Being imperfect, they do not always succeed
100 percent. But it is the desire of their hearts to do good unto all
people not only in telling them the good news of the Kingdom but also
in extending a helping hand whenever possible.—James 2:14-17.”
http://www.watchtower.org/library/jt/article_05.htm 

The Authorized Site of the Office of Public Information of Jehovah's
Witnesses has the following statement:
“Marriage mates with different religions are encouraged to treat each
other with tolerance and respect. Children should be given the
opportunity to learn about the religious views of both parents.—1
Corinthians 7:12-14.”, which would imply that the same tolerance
should be extended to other family members.
http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/family.htm

On the other hand, a web site critical of the JWs provides the
following quotations from JW literature, which rather go against the
calls to tolerance cited above:
“Don't associate with outsiders (non-Jehovah's Witnesses). You are too
busy for that!” Watchtower, 2/1/74, p.93.
“Remember, you are to have "no association" with non-Jehovah's Witness
friends or relatives. If they are honest and moral, that still does
not make any difference.” Watchtower, 2/15/60, pp. 112-113
http://www.letusreason.org/JW24.htm 

And an article entitled: “The Fear Indoctrination Placed Upon
Jehovah's Witnesses by the Watchtower Society” by Vincent McCann,
Spotlight Ministries, 2000, says
“The fear of the world, and those in it, is a prime concern of the
Witness. Those who have relationships with non-Witness friends outside
the congregation are frowned upon by the Society as being involved in
"bad association." The Watchtower reasons that because everything in
the world, that is outside the Organisation, is viewed as "evil",
non-Witness people are a potential spiritual threat and therefore
should be avoided. This tends to create an "us and them" mentality.”
http://www.spotlightministries.org.uk/jwfears.htm  
It would be logical to assume that relatives, especially those who
express criticism, could come into the same category of "bad
association".

Clarification of Answer by tehuti-ga on 28 Apr 2003 18:07 PDT
Ooops sorry, going mad here!  I got mixed up between the two pages I
cited from watchtower.org. 
http://www.watchtower.org/library/rq/article_11.htm is indeed the
first URL, as originally cited.  However, the link in the answer does
not work, because the colon has become included within the URL!
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Comments  
Subject: Re: Need explanation on Jehovah's Witness religion
From: tehuti-ga on 28 Apr 2003 18:27 PDT
 
Thank you very much for the kind words and tip. I wish you all the
best in your mediation.
Subject: Re: Need explanation on Jehovah's Witness religion
From: pugwashjw-ga on 04 May 2003 15:52 PDT
 
Dear Spencercat-ga. The researchers have done a good job on your
question, especially in referring you to the Watchtower website. but
just reading the gfacts does not always explain them. For example, If
I read a thesis on Atomics, with no schooling, I would be no wiser at
the end of it as I was at the start. The whole faith of Jehovah`s
Witnesses is based on the bible, and any input from man`s ideas is not
accepted. Christmas, birthdays and national holidays were very well
explained. But the comments from the anti lobby simply showed a form
of hate. J.W.`s feel that the more they are hated by the world, the
closer they are to what Jesus wanted his followers to be. e.g. John
15;17 says " These things I command you, that you love one another. If
the world hates you, you know that it has hated me [Jesus]before it
hated you. 19. If you were part of the world, the world would be fond
of what is its own, but because you are no part of the world, but I
have chosen you out of the world, on this account, the world hates
you. When a person is disfellowshipped, it is only after a very
thorough investigation of their actions, e.g. a married wpoman getting
herself a boyfriend and defying the elders by refusing to live a moral
life. Limited contact with family members is allowed to enable the
family to function. As in the case of the d/f`d one still living in
the family home. But contact with regards to outings, parties and
religious discussion is avoided. It is a total falsity to say that the
elders make d/f decisions lightly. Many J.W.`S have made silly human
mistakes and realized it, sooner or later, have suffered the shame of
being disfellowshipped but then were welcomed back into the
congregation. It is a form of penance for wrongdoing. Other religions
lash themselves until they bleed, and yet the world in general thinks
that is normal, or at least make no comment on it. The bottom line is
that the religion that is acceptable to God is one that is undivided
and with a common goal. Any religion with any divisions is not the
true religion. Investigate them all with honesty and you will find the
right one.

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