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Subject: Searching for ancestors
Category: Family and Home > Families
Asked by: beauty99-ga
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Posted: 28 Apr 2003 19:28 PDT
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Question ID: 196838
I would like to find the birthplace of my Grandfather, John Patrick
Fitzgibbons, who was married to Agnes Cole Fitzgibbons and was born in
approx. 1890, lived in Baltimore, MA from approx. 1920-1965(?)and had
a son named John Joseph Fitzgibbons born on 2-24-1922 and a daughter
named Mary.
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Subject: Re: Searching for ancestors
Answered By: omnivorous-ga on 29 Apr 2003 12:04 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Beauty99 - -

As always with genealogy research there are a few surprises and yours
is no exception.  So read on because we have MORE than a couple for
you!

First, your grandfather is listed in the 1930 Census as Joseph P.
Fitzgibbons, age 40, a homeowner at 409 Lyndhurst Street, Baltimore,
MD.  The estimated value of the home is $5,400 and they own a radio (a
question asked for the 1st time in 1930).  He is a foreman for a steam
railroad.

He was born in Maryland - - and as you’ll see in a minute it was
almost certainly in Baltimore.  Here’s what else we know about him:
* 	the 1930 Census information on him is in ED 341, page 3A, taken
April 3, 1930.  If you have access to census microfilms (and I’ll
explain more in a minute), it’s roll T626-864.
*	he was born in Maryland and both of his parents were born in Irish
Free State.
*	he married for the 1st time at age 39.
*	his wife is Agnes Cole Fitzgibbon, age 32.  She married for the 1st
time at age 21.  Her mother, Susanna R. Cole is 65, widowed and living
with them.  Susanna was born in Maryland; so too were her parents.
* 	the children are:
-- Mary A., 10 
-- John J., 8
-- Joseph P. J., 4

All of this information comes from the census microfilms at the
National Archive Records Administration (NARA).  What comes next is
more interesting.

I hopped back to 1910 to see if we could find Joseph P. Fitzgibbons. 
The only Fitzgibbons that I can find in the 1910 Census close to his
age is listed as Patrick J. Fitzgibbons, 21.  He’s working in the
machine shop for a railroad and living with his parents.

While we can’t be certain that this is your grandfather, several
things lead me to believe that it is:
1.  my own family experience often sees names reversed in documents. 
My grandmother is alternately listed as Mae Maude or Maude Mae and
it’s so confused my cousins that we can argue for hours about her
given name.
2. his age and the origin of parents match.
3. there are only two Fitzgibbons families in Maryland in the 1910
Census and this is the only potential match.  Plus we know that your
grandfather was born in Maryland.
4. he’s working for the railroad in 1910 and 1930.

Here are the details on the family that would be your GREAT
grandfather’s, from the 1910 Census.  This information is on microfilm
roll T624-559; ward 19.  It is ED 320, page 2B and was taken on April
15, 1910:

** John J. Fitzgibbons, 44, married for 25 years, born in
Ireland-England of parents from Ireland-England.  Occupation: moulder
for a railroad; rents the house at 1520 W. Pratt Street.  He can read
and write.
** Johanna T. Fitzgibbons, 40, wife and also married for 25 years,
born in Ireland-England of parents from Ireland-England.  She’s had 8
children, 7 of whom are living.  She’s not employed; she can read and
write.

The children are all living at home, they’re all born in Maryland and
all are single at the time of :
-- Mary A., 24, cashier in an office
-- Patrick J., 21, working in the railroad machine shop
-- John J. Jr., 18, a laborer for street maintenance
-- Danie A.E., 17, apprentice with the railroad
-- Jeremiah M., 14, student
-- Katherine C., 12, student
-- Thomas W., 10, student

There is one other person in the household too: a nephew, Patrick J.
Murphy, 20, who’s working as a laborer for the railroad.  Patrick was
born in Maryland of parents from Ireland-England.

There is a bit of a surprise in the Fitzgibbons 1910 Census records -
- they don’t indicate date of emigration nor even whether or not the
parents are U.S. citizens.  In some communities it was tracked
carefully; in this community the pages are blank for those categories.

The Google search strategy for this was to use Census microfilms for
1910 and 1930, knowing were he lived in 1930 and guessing that he’d
also be present at age 20 in Maryland.  You can duplicate some of this
same research and include different years using any of three online
services:
1.  http://www.ancestry.com  (a fee-based service)
2.  AncestryPlus, a service available via many public libraries.  The
database lookup capabilities for AncestryPlus are generally weaker
than Ancestry.com
3.  Heritage Quest, an online service also available via many public
libraries.  The same limitations in the database apply here - - it’s
proven not to be complete.

You can also use the facilities of NARA, which has regional offices. 
I used the Seattle NARA office to do these searches:
National Archive Records Administration
"Research Room"
http://www.archives.gov/research_room/index.html

My next recommendation would be to get your grandfather’s birth
certificate from the state or city:
State of Maryland
"Vital Records"
http://www.dhmh.state.md.us/html/vitalrec.htm

Several researchers suggested using the Social Security death index to
try tracking Mr. Fitzgibbons.  You'll find about three entries with
first name John which could be him; another three under Joseph (based
on an 1889-1891 birthdate).

I hope that you’re as excited about finding this information as this
researcher was when it turned up!

Best regards,

Omnivorous-GA

Request for Answer Clarification by beauty99-ga on 30 Apr 2003 06:39 PDT
Do you have a place and date of death? Thank you!

Clarification of Answer by omnivorous-ga on 30 Apr 2003 07:00 PDT
Beauty --

If you're seeking date and place of death, you may want to use the
Social Security Death Index, which gives you an idea of last
residence.  As I'd mentioned, there are six likely options --
depending on whether he was using John or Joseph as 1st name.  (I
didn't even check for Patrick as a first name.)

The source documents that I used to track him were U.S. Census
reports, which are published every 10 years and available only through
1930, so it's not possible to determine death from them.

Best regards,

Omnivorous-GA
beauty99-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
We appreciate the great answer.

Comments  
Subject: Re: Searching for ancestors
From: popsracer-ga on 29 Apr 2003 02:57 PDT
 
I have managed to locate a record for a John Fitzgibbons who was born
in 1890 and died in 1966 in MA.  This is the closest match I have been
able to find.  This information comes from the Social Security Death
Index.  However there don't seem to be any other easily accessable
records of this man.  I have not been able to find a birth or marriage
certificate for John.

Knowing the exact date of birth may help in the further search for the
place of birth.

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/SSDI/individual_record.asp?recid=015051612&lds=3&region=-1&regionfriendly=&frompage=99

John FITZGIBBONS  	
Birth Date: 	16 Jun 1890 
Death Date: 	May 1966 
Social Security Number:  	015-05-1612 
State or Territory Where Number Was Issued:  	Massachusetts
 
Death Residence Localities
ZIP Code: 	01013 
Localities:  	Chicopee, Hampden, Massachusetts
         	Chicopee Center, Hampden, Massachusetts
Subject: Re: Searching for ancestors
From: beauty99-ga on 30 Apr 2003 07:39 PDT
 
Thanks for all the info.  We do not know place or date of death.

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