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height of water column
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: 3rrotec-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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01 May 2003 16:58 PDT
Expires: 31 May 2003 16:58 PDT Question ID: 198168 |
Given a water column in a top closed, bottom open tube is the same regardless of the diameter. That column is 408.33 inches at 14.7 atmospheric. If I invert say a 24 inch pipe 408.33 inches long full of water the weight of the water will equal the air pressure pushing up (6650 lbs). Question: Why then does water run out? Is it because the vacuum created fills with water vapor thus equalizing system? |
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Re: height of water column
Answered By: synarchy-ga on 06 May 2003 16:35 PDT Rated: |
Hello You are correct in describing the pressure within the inverted tube at atmospheric pressure - and in the absence of any perturbations within the water, it would stay in the tube no matter the diameter (Note: a tube of exactly 408.33" would have no vacuum when inverted). However, small fluctuations in the distribution of water allow mixing of the water and the air at the surface, this allows air to ascend past water in the column which allows the water beneath the air to escape (ie pour out the bottom). There is a force which can counter this effect on a small scale - surface tension. Surface tension relates to the tendency of similar molecules in a liquid to stick together at the surface. Surface tension does not operate on large scales: the farther the molecules are away from each other, the lower the attractive force between them. Surface tension is the principle effect governing the size of raindrops-to put the range in perspective. So, if you could increase the surface tension of the water at the base of the column, you could prevent the water from escaping. The simplest way to achieve this in to use a smaller diameter pipe - or, if a larger diameter pipe is used, the openings can be made plentiful and small, which results in a smaller effective diameter at each of the openings. A demonstration of this can be found on the following page (cheesecloth is used): http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~vawter/PhysicsNet/QTMovies/PressureFluids/AirPressureOnColumofH2O.html And a much longer explanation: http://www.branta.connectfree.co.uk/surface_tension.html Two nice general descriptions of the physics behind this: http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/~chem1a/labmanual/expt6.htm http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/education/modules/water_activity4.pdf Google search terms: inverted tube surface tension | |
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Re: height of water column
From: spurious-ga on 01 May 2003 20:12 PDT |
If it's a homework question, refer to a water phase diagram. http://www.sbu.ac.uk/water/phase.html Also, it would depend on the ambient temperature and pressure. Perhaps the calculation was based on incorrect assumptions of conditions. If it's a practical problem, note that it no longer is an equilibrium system. If water can leave the column, it is likely air will push into the column; especially one 2 feet wide. Those air bubbles will displace more water allowing more water to leave and pretty soon you will have an empty pipe. Hopefully a Researcher can provide you with a more complete answer. |
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Re: height of water column
From: spurious-ga on 01 May 2003 20:20 PDT |
Further illustration: A full cup of water has a column height less than that which can be supported by atmospheric pressure. Place covered cup above your head. Look up. Invert cup. Remove cover. Observe action of water. Do the same with a straw. Observe action of water. Take finger off top of straw. Now what happens? The cup is wide enough to allow air up the column. The straw isn't. If you packed your 24 inch column with straws (even if just at the bottom end), the result may be different. |
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Re: height of water column
From: bobgordon-ga on 06 May 2003 13:01 PDT |
You should have a look at Rayleigh-Taylor instability. They have formalized the behavior of heavy fluid which sits on top of a lighter fluid. The equilibrium state is not stable, and the light fluid pops into the heavier one. The same goes for water on top of air. for an overview have a look at: http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/~dsmith/rayleigh-taylor.pdf |
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