Our company just setup our website.  http://www.kcconsultinggroup.com
 How we can make it shows up on google's search result?

We have tried those "free website submission" but does not seem to be
too effective... e.g if you search on kcconsultinggroup on the google
page, it does not even suggest our website...

Any LEGATIMATE ways we can make our website "visible" on the google
search?

We base in New York City and primarily providing computer solution to
small business and home.  Also, we provide consultancy for corporation
which want to do business in China...

Since this is first time we are trying this "google question" thing
and hopefully, we can get a concrete solution...

Thanks in advance!

Hi javafication-ga,

  I understand your plight -- a good listing in
  Google's results often helps business.

  First, as a disclaimer, Google Answers Researchers
  do not have any inside knowledge about Google's
  indexing algorithms.  We can only provide advice
  based on what we read and our own experiences.

  In your case though, I think your site has not
  been indexed for a simple reason -- it uses frames.
  On this page:

://www.google.com/webmasters/

  There is a link for "My web pages have never been 
  included in the Google index."  On that page it says:

#  Your page uses frames. Google supports frames to the extent that it
can. Frames tend to cause problems with search engines, bookmarks,
emailing links and so on, because frames don't fit the conceptual
model of the web (every page corresponds to a single URL). If a user's
query matches the site as a whole, Google returns the frame set. If a
user's query matches an individual page on the site, Google returns
that page. That individual page is not displayed in a frame -- because
there may be no frame set corresponding to that page.

If you are concerned with the description of your site as seen by
search engines, please read "Search Engines and Frames". It describes
the use of the 'NoFrames' tag, which is used to provide alternative
content. If, instead of providing alternative content, you use wording
such as "This site requires the use of frames" or "Upgrade your
browser", then you are excluding both search engines and people who
use browsers with frames turned off. (For example, audio web browsers,
such as those used in automobiles and by the visually impaired,
typically do not deal with frames, which are a visual mechanism.) You
can read about NoFrames in the HTML standard here:
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/present/frames.html#h-16.4


  I think if you follow their frames advice and 
  resubmit your page by following the instructions here:

://www.google.com/webmasters/1.html#A2

  that your site will be listed within a month.

  I hope that helps.

               dogbite-ga

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Request for Answer Clarification by javafication-ga on 03 May 2003 14:35 PDT

Thanks for the response...
From your suggestions, I guess I have only have one alternative as
following, right?

Not to use frame.... Actually, the ://www.google.com/webmasters/
webpage has the "frame" look but it is all using "table".  A follow up
point is that how you can make the "right section" (I am using the
word section for lack of better word since it is NOT a frame on the
right hand side) to be refreshed when user clicks on a menu item on
the list on the left?

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Clarification of Answer by dogbite-ga on 03 May 2003 15:16 PDT

Hi javafication-ga,

  As aceresearcher helpfull points out, 
  Google's index program can sometimes 
  handle frames.  Still, it has been my 
  experience that in many cases it does 
  not handle frames -- and I think you 
  fall in that category.

  There are many ways to get the look of
  frames without actually using frames.
  One of them, as you allude to, is to
  use tables.  Then, when you click on a
  link it sends you to a new page with a
  similar table.  The left part of that
  table will contain similar text with a
  slightly different menu list.

  You might also use JavaScript or other
  dynamic webpage technologies.

  You might consider posting another Google
  Answers question on transforming your site
  to non-frames.

          dogbite-ga

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Request for Answer Clarification by javafication-ga on 03 May 2003 23:36 PDT

Hi there,

I have followed your suggestion and remove the "frame" structure for
the whole website...Now, can you please guide me thru in terms of how
I can make our company website be visible to the Google's search
engine?

again, for your convenience, here is the url again:  
http://www.kcconsultinggroup.com (which is aliased to
http://www.kccgusa.com)

Regards

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Clarification of Answer by dogbite-ga on 04 May 2003 08:18 PDT

Hi javafication-ga,

  Wow, that was a quick transformation of
  your website!

  Now I think you should do three things:

   1) submit your URL (just one of them) here:

://www.google.com/addurl.html

   2) if possible, have some other websites
      who are listed in Google link to you.
      it could even be a friend's personal
      page where the link says "my friend
      started this company."

   3) if it is appropriate, link from your
      sites to other websites.

  Then wait at most one month and see if you get
  put into Google's next index.

               dogbite-ga

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Request for Answer Clarification by javafication-ga on 04 May 2003 11:46 PDT

Thanks Dogbit-ga. You know, Business should be run at the speed of the
light and the transformation of the website falls into the same
category... :-)

I will followed your advices and waiting for my luck day on the Google
search result page...

Thanks for your help so far and take care!

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Clarification of Answer by dogbite-ga on 04 May 2003 12:20 PDT

I'm glad that I could help, and
please let me know what happens
with Google.

       dogbite-ga

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Request for Answer Clarification by javafication-ga on 04 May 2003 19:56 PDT

Yes, you will be one of the first to know if our site pops up on
google...Thanks again.

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Clarification of Answer by dogbite-ga on 04 May 2003 20:03 PDT

Thank you for the kind remarks.

         dogbite-ga (a him)

dogbit-ga provides very quick response and is willing to follow
through his/her answer... Most important, he/she is knowledgable on
the subject...

Greetings, javafication!

In my experience, the Googlebot does not have a problem with frames
when they are done properly. One of my websites uses frames with a
layout similar to yours, and it ranks quite highly in Google Searches
for its main keywords.

Regards,

aceresearcher

When using frames you should make proper use of the NOFRAMES tags.
Basically this means;
Make a regular table-layout site to put in your NOFRAMES tag.
This is what Google sees when spidering a framed site.
Since you have already converted your site you can just add the front
page of that site in the NOFRAMES sections of your previous site (if
you've still got it).
You will have the functionality of the framed site and still the
search ranking of a non-framed site.

Hope this gave some additional help.