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Subject: Vintage Photo Search
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: tibiaron-ga
List Price: $100.00
Posted: 04 May 2003 12:53 PDT
Expires: 03 Jun 2003 12:53 PDT
Question ID: 199284
A correct answer to this question consists of leading me to a photo of
Fort Montezuma.  It does NOT qualify as a correct answer unless I
identify the photo as correct.  Leads are appreciated, but leads are
NOT the answer.  You collect the fee ONLY AFTER I SAY THE PHOTO IS THE
CORRECT SITE.  I have used up my search capability, and it's now time
to try a professional.  I want this photo so bad I can taste it.

I'll provide some leads:  Fort Montezuma was located on the bank of
the San Juan River from July 1879 to June 1884, at a location now
named Montezuma Creek, Utah.  It's in the far south-east corner of the
state.  The fort consisted of two or more small log cabins built
adjoining each other, with a tall pole fence securing their entrance. 
It was located in dense large cottonwood trees, and very near the bank
of the river.  Charles Goodwin was one known photographer who visited
the site.  Some references call Fort Montezuma,  Montezuma Fort.  I
will list the men who lived there with their birth year, I will not
list their wives or children unless you ask for clarification.  John
Allan 1823, James Davis 1838, Harvey Dunton, Hyrum Fielding 1848,
Henry Harrison Harriman 1849, George Hobbs, Thales Hastings Haskell
1834, Henry Holyoak 1839, William Hyde 1838, Peter Shirts 1808, Silas
S. Smith 1830.  The fort was destroyed by a flash flood during June of
1884.  The county is San Juan County. I have much more detail if you
need clarification.  Good luck.
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Subject: Re: Vintage Photo Search
From: justaskscott-ga on 04 May 2003 13:03 PDT
 
Note to Researchers:  Here is the previous question on this subject:

http://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=149067
Subject: Re: Vintage Photo Search
From: tibiaron-ga on 04 May 2003 13:11 PDT
 
I checked all the leads on the earlier search mentioned by
justaskscott, and found no photo.  I posted a higher $ amount this
time.  I know the photo exists.
Subject: Re: Vintage Photo Search
From: 4keith-ga on 10 May 2003 10:36 PDT
 
5-10-2003

Would you consider posting a classified ad in a newspaper in the
relevant Utah area to let the public help you in your search for this
photo?  Maybe someone locally might have a good idea about where it
could be found.

SINCERELY,
4keith
Subject: Re: Vintage Photo Search
From: tibiaron-ga on 12 May 2003 19:56 PDT
 
4Keith:  That's an option that has crossed my mind but I haven't tried
it yet.  Thanks for the suggestion.
Subject: Re: Vintage Photo Search
From: tutuzdad-ga on 25 May 2003 20:21 PDT
 
Dear tibiaron-ga;

Please take a look at these references:

"Life of Mary Ann Doidge, My Grandmother"
http://www.gordonbanks.com/gordon/family/madoige.html

"They spent the first winter living in a one-room log house at
Montezuma Fort, on the San Juan River east of Bluff. The fort was
built in a square, the houses all facing inside and touching each
other. The children played inside the fort. They had little food and
the children were sent to gather leaves from the grease- wood for
greens...During the winter, the men made large frame waterwheels, to
lift the water from the San Juan River to the irrigation ditches. But
the spring floods came and washed the wheels and ditches away. Many
became discouraged and left the Bluff settlement."

"Life of Jane Allan"
http://www.sanjuan.k12.ut.us/sjsample/BLUFF/janeall2.htm

This site's photo shows the log and stone house in which Jane Allan
and her family lived. You can clearly see the roof of an adjoining
structure in the upper right side of the photo. According to the
description of the fort in the previous link, this defintely leads one
to believe that the photo is at least a small portion of the fort, or
maybe what remained of it after the flood. As you can see in the
previous link, while there was defintitely a settlement at Bluff, the
Montezuma Fort is also referred to as "the Bluff settlement", at least
on this site. This is also mentioned in "The Life of Jane Allan"
http://www.sanjuan.k12.ut.us/sjsample/BLUFF/janealln.htm. Photos of
the Jane Allan House (in what actually is/was Bluff Utah) are clearly
photos of a different house than that of the black and white photo,
again, leading us to believe that the black and white photo was indeed
taken at the Montezuma Fort.

Regards;
tutuzdad-ga
Subject: Re: Vintage Photo Search
From: tibiaron-ga on 26 May 2003 23:02 PDT
 
tutuzdad:  I am familiar with the three links you found.  They are of
the Bluff fort.  Fort Montezuma, which was fifteen miles up-river from
Bluff ceased to exist before the Allan family moved to Bluff and built
the rock structure seen in the photo.  There are many photos of the
Bluff Fort in circulation, but Fort Montezuma is much more elusive,
because it only existed five years 1879-1884.  The Mary Ann Dodge site
you posted is valid, but has no photo.  I have made a little effort to
locate a living descendant of Mary Ann Dodge, but no success yet.  I
appreciate all your effort on this search, it's a difficult one, maybe
impossible!
Subject: Re: Vintage Photo Search
From: tutuzdad-ga on 29 May 2003 16:55 PDT
 
Please note that the link I supplied and the person to whom you are
referring is "MARY ANN DOIDGE" - note the pselling of the surname (it
is not a typo). Perhaps, armed with this new information you might be
able to turn up more on this person's family, possibly from the same
Doidge family that originated from Thames, Auckland, New Zealand.

SEARCH LDS FOR THE NAME "DOIDGE" AND SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM PORTION
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp

Also, I have been told Corinne Roring, who is somewhat of an expert in
this area, might know more about elusive photos if there are any. She
can be contacted through the San Juan Historical Commission and she
might just have what you are seeking (or know where you should look
next) 435 587 2482. I trust you will return here and mention if this
information proved useful before your question expires on June 3rd.

Regards;
tutuzdad-ga
Subject: Re: Vintage Photo Search
From: tibiaron-ga on 02 Jun 2003 21:01 PDT
 
tutuzad:  Thanks again.  Last year I looked at Ancestral File and took
a list of living descendants of Mary Ann Doidge which were in the
submitters list. I sent letters with self addressed envelopes to a
good number of them, asking for information and photos. That effort
was not successful.  I also took Corrine Roring to the site where the
fort once stood and she and I discussed possible ways to locate a
photo, but no success has come from this effort either.

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