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SELF SURGERY ON ARMS
Category: Health > Medicine Asked by: yesmam-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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09 May 2003 18:57 PDT
Expires: 08 Jun 2003 18:57 PDT Question ID: 201832 |
In light of the fascinating story from Colorado about the man that was hiking in the wilderness and had performed surgery to remove his arm, are there other cases of this extaordinary type of survival? Also, wouldn't a person go in to shock from doing such a painful thing to themselves? Whatever the response, isn't it one of the most amazing things that you've ever heard about? Thanks, YesMam |
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Re: SELF SURGERY ON ARMS
Answered By: sublime1-ga on 09 May 2003 22:38 PDT Rated: |
yesmam... It certainly *is* amazing. I'll start off with a personal story, which could have turned out with similar results, but fortunately did not. I was working for a friend who owned a print shop, and running an older-model Heidelberg 'windmill' press. Here's a picture, courtesy of Indian Hill Press: http://www.indianhillpress.com/shop/windmill.jpg At the top, toward the back of the press, you can just make out the ink rollers, where you add ink with a spatula, by dipping it into a can of ink with a consistency a little less thick than tar. The ink is then applied to the rollers with the spatula. Ideally, the press is turned off during this procedure, but experienced pressmen, like my friend, do it with the press (and rollers) running. I was not greatly experienced, but, having watched him do it, I tried it his way. What I didn't realize was that the ink on the rollers was considerably drier, and thus, more tacky, than the ink in the can. When I applied the ink, with the blade parallel to the rollers, the tacky ink on the rollers grabbed the spatula and pulled it through - with my hand still grasping it!!! The rollers pulled me in up to my wrist before something in me responded more quickly than I could think. I instantly let go of the spatula, flattened my hand, and pulled for all I was worth - managing to pull my hand back out of the rollers. Only later did I closely examine the construction of the rollers. They are in continuous contact with each other, made of a steel rod in the center and surrounded by a layer of solid rubber. They are not spring-loaded. The actual distance between the steel rods at the center of the rollers was little more than about an inch, yet, somehow, I managed to pull my hand back through them. My hand, of course, was soon swollen like a balloon. My bones were badly bruised, but not broken. I struggled with internal scar tissue for years before things like typing no longer bothered me. I also play guitar and keyboard by ear, so you can imagine my gratitude. I had no insurance at the time, so I never even saw a doctor. It was about a month before I was recovered enough to use my hand. As for other self-surgeries on arms: Here's a story from BBC News dated October 23, 2002: "Doug Goodale cut off his own arm at the elbow in order to survive an accident at sea." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2346951.stm There's also a psychological disorder which falls into the dysmorphic category, containing such diagnoses as anorexia nervosa, where a thin person perceives themselves as too fat. Apotemnophilia, called by one psychaitrist 'Amputee Identity Disorder', compels an individual to amputate certain limbs. This page, from The Portland Mercury, details individuals who have felt compelled to cut off their arms or legs: http://www.portlandmercury.com/2000-12-14/scientific.html Please do not rate this answer until you are satisfied that the answer cannot be improved upon by means of a dialog established through the "Request for Clarification" process. sublime1-ga Searches done, via Google: "cut off his own arm" -mountaineer -climber -hiker ://www.google.com/search?q=%22cut+off+his+own+arm%22+-mountaineer+-climber+-hiker |
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Re: SELF SURGERY ON ARMS
From: googlenut-ga on 09 May 2003 19:06 PDT |
"isn't it one of the most amazing things that you've ever heard about?" Yes! |
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Re: SELF SURGERY ON ARMS
From: tisme-ga on 09 May 2003 19:10 PDT |
Wow, had not really read this story, but upon searching for: colorado remove arm on http://news.google.com I am amazed! I am fairly confident that I would have died under similar circumstances. tisme-ga |
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Re: SELF SURGERY ON ARMS
From: pinkfreud-ga on 09 May 2003 19:28 PDT |
Here's the story of a doctor who performed his own appendectomy: The operation - a common appendectomy, performed many times throughout history before this day in 1921, becomes an extraordinary event in the little town of Kane. Doctor Evan O'Neill Kane, whose father was the founder of the town, wanted to prove something to the medical world. It was his belief that ether was being used far too often when less dangerous local anesthetics could be used. So he set out to perform an appendectomy using only a local anesthetic. This would not be amazing in itself until the patient is known. The patient was Dr. Kane, the 60-year-old Chief Surgeon of Kane Summit Hospital. He removed his own appendix. To accomplish this he was propped up on the operating room table with a mirror over his abdomen. Three other doctors looked on, in case of trouble, as he began to make the necessary incision for the removal of the vermiform appendix. In those days this procedure called for a much larger incision than today's Band-Aid surgery. With his skilled hands he located the inflamed tissue and carefully removed it from his intestine. Assistants then sutured the wound. This was neither Dr. Kane's first self-surgery, nor his last. In 1919 he amputated one of his own fingers. Then in 1932, at age 70, he performed an operation on himself to correct an inguinal hernia that had bothered him since he was first injured in 1926 while riding horseback. This was the most dangerous of the three operations that he did because of the close proximity to the femoral artery. The suture needle must penetrate within one-eighth of an inch of this important artery. With nerves of steel he performed flawlessly in the one hour and fifty-five minute operation. Dr. H. M. Cleveland and a team of nurses were there to assist, but only helped during the most trying moments. Dr. Kane was calm and relaxed during the whole operation. He even joked with the nurses as he worked, asking them if they were comfortable. About an hour into the operation the moment of truth arrived. He said "The risk is here and I must face it," in a relaxed tone as he prepared to thread the Kangaroo suture under his abdominal muscle and to within millimeters of the important vessels. Everyone held their breath in silence until the crisis had passed. Dr. Cleveland declared the operation a success and Dr. Kane recovered quickly enough to assist in the operating room 36 hours later. Dr. Evan O'Neill Kane was an important part of Kane's local history. http://www.kanehosp.com/getpage.php?name=history |
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Re: SELF SURGERY ON ARMS
From: tutuzdad-ga on 09 May 2003 20:25 PDT |
In October 1999 Dr Jerri Neilsen was trapped at the South Pole when she discovered she had breast cancer. She performed needle biopsies on her own breast, conducted her own intravenous chemotherapy treatments and was preparing to perform self-surgery on her affected breast in the event that she could not be rescued. Weather eventually permitted her rescue but only after weeks of enduring self-inflicted invasive treatments which ultimatley saved her life. http://imaginis.com/breasthealth/news/news10.26.99b.asp Regards; tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: SELF SURGERY ON ARMS
From: knowledge_seeker-ga on 10 May 2003 07:09 PDT |
Tutuzdad beat me to it. Jerri Neilsen's story is extraordinary! If you get a chance, read her book, "Icebound." Incredible. -K~ |
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Re: SELF SURGERY ON ARMS
From: yesmam-ga on 10 May 2003 07:13 PDT |
Google is incredible, but Google Answers is like a message board for the most interesting people in the world. I don't think that I would have the guts to do it, but would like to think that I do, but hope never to be placed in a situation to try it out. YesMam |
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Re: SELF SURGERY ON ARMS
From: yesmam-ga on 10 May 2003 07:16 PDT |
P.S. My own father is a surgeon. Fifty years ago, he tried to correct an ingrown toenail by himself. I think that he passed out, but will pursue this interesting chapter of family history! YesMam |
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Re: SELF SURGERY ON LEG
From: journalist-ga on 10 May 2003 07:16 PDT |
There is also the story of Donald Wyman who amputated his leg with his pocketknife after a tree pinned his leg (1993). I recall that People Magazine did a feature story on him at the time. See http://www.heartlight.org/timely_truths/chooselife.html for a blurb and see http://www.sciforums.com/archive/19/2002/04/2/6238 for the AP story reprinted in a message forum. |
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Re: SELF SURGERY ON ARMS
From: jeanluis-ga on 10 May 2003 18:22 PDT |
Here is another interesting story of survival, it does not involve amputation but it is pretty amazing none the less: "Man rescued after months at sea" http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2282532.stm This guy caught his own food (birds, turtles, etc...) and used salt from the sea water to cure the food! |
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Re: SELF SURGERY ON ARMS
From: read2live-ga on 30 Jun 2003 13:06 PDT |
Late breaking news, from the UK Mirror newspaper, June 30, 2003: Miner cuts own arm off with craft knife. Colin Jones cut his arm off below the elbow after his tractor overturned two miles underground. The fuel was leaking, and he feared that a rescue party would not reach him before the fuel caught fire. <http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=13125131_method=full_siteid=50143_headline=-MINER-CUTS-OWN-ARM-OFF-WITH-CRAFT-KNIFE-name_page.html> [Now there's a memorable URL!] I came across the story moments ago in the UK Independent, in hard copy, with the added detail that heasked one of his co-workers to do the deed but his workmate couldn't bring himself to do it, so Jones had to do the job himself. After being rescued, surgeons tried to re-attach the arm, but it was too badly crushed. I tried raising this story online, but the page just hung there. CNN also carries this story, slightly earlier than the UK reports because the man's name and condition had not yet been released. <http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/auspac/06/28/australia.miner.amputate.ap/> Each of the reports recalls the Aron Ralston story earlier this year. And yes, amazing stories! r2l |
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