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Drinking urine
Category: Health > Medicine Asked by: bethc50-ga List Price: $35.00 |
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11 May 2003 21:01 PDT
Expires: 10 Jun 2003 21:01 PDT Question ID: 202555 |
Recently I sent email to the editor of our local garden club with some information she might want to include for the next newsletter. Well one thing led to another, it was late at night and I ended up telling her about a potable water system I'd heard about. Almost cost free, safe, and no one seems to know about it -- and on the news that night I'd seen Iraqi's begging President Bush to send water. Water! Well I received a stiff note in response that the President of the Club would be informed of my email to her, and I now fear I face the equivilant of a Garden Club Firing Squad. Hostas at 50 paces? Can you help me find some research to at least establish that while I may have been off-topic for the Garden Club I was nevertheless factually correct? I do not remember where I heard this or read it. The Christian Science Monitor, The Utne Reader, Mother Earth News, one of those interesting features Public Radio carries now and then? Since I did not take notes at the time some of this must be wrong but I think the gist of the information is correct. 1.) Get a metal or plastic tube. Scrub it clean inside, a dry scrub with sand is fine. Make 3 caps, one with a small hole and 1 to fit over it tight. Scrub them as well. 2.) Put everything in hot sun until any water dropped on them SIZZLES off. 3.) Also find some sand, the purer the better. Commercially cleaner, boiled / sterilized / etc. is NOT necessary. Sift it as well as you can. Spread it out in the sun until you say "ouch" when you touch it. 4.) Put the cap with the hole on the bottom, the bigger cap over it TIGHT. Fill the tube with sand. 5.) Fill the sand tube with one day's output of urine from a healthy human or the equivilant from a healthy animal. Cap it so there's no loss from evaporation. Let it cool off and trickle down. 6.) Drink. This works because of several reasons. A.) Urine from a healthy human or animal carries almost [need a definition of "almost"] no bacteria or viruses. That waste goes out through the stools. B.) Urine from a healthy (etc.) comes out of the body sterile. C.) Most of the "waste" of urine is just ... excess water. Water is needed by the body to move everything around, but having once done that needs to gotten rid of and fresh water brought in. The body also creates excess water as a biochemical byproduct. D.) The biochemicals in urine are the residue of what we take in as food or drink, or produced by the body to run the body and now unused, or used up and then create byproduct chemicals, and can now be gotten rid of. (Is "of" a dangling participle?) These biochemical residues also leave our bodies in our stools. They are present in relatively small amounts in our urine and can be retaken into our bodies almost [need a definition of "almost"] indefinitely without producing harm. Filtered through sand as a kind of miniature septic tank, urine is purified to acceptable potable standards. [Note: Whose standards?] The sand does not remove smell. To do that, pack in some charcoal from last night's fire, well burned charcoal. If the doesn't have a "normal" urine smell, if it has any trace of slime, the urine donor is sick. Do not drink the resulting water. The sand tube filter cannot filter out abnormal substances. I admit I would not do this myself, but I can afford $6,000 for the new well I just had put in on my farm. A new septic tank will cost me at least that much someday. I do like to know such information "just in case". This is not as good as a multi-million dollar water purification plant, but if it works it will work NOW! I found one article from NASA, a classroom science lesson showing a simplified form of how water will be recycled on the International Space Station and it's very similar to what I've written above. I printed that out. Then after (20 minutes) of strenuously typing '+"drink urine" +"sand filter" -aquarium' and variations on that I remembered Google Answers. I'd like at least 3 sources with solid reputations, with at least one fairly close to my sand tube memory. I may send copies to my Senators and Congressional Representatives as well, now that I'm getting indignant. You can also be proud to know you helped me avoid a firing squad armed with Hostas, or maybe Dahlias, at 50 paces. |
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Re: Drinking urine
Answered By: redhoss-ga on 12 May 2003 06:19 PDT |
Hello bethc50, Even though your question might sound disgusting, in survival or primative conditions such a filter could certainly be used. I have found three references which you should find very interesting: (1) http://www.jrmooneyham.com/watp.html You can also construct a more substantial filter for this purpose, using fine, clean sand. But only where such a filter will be kept in continuous operation, full and slightly overflowing with water input. The basic principle is that your water will go through at minimum a two feet depth of sand on its passage through the filter, and you don't want more than four gallons of water an hour for each square foot of sand cross-section to flow through the device. A wooden barrel or steel drum or custom-made container can be used. Allow a height including some four inches at top for water waiting to sink into the sand, then at minimum two feet of sand (the more the better), and finally three to six inches for a layer of small stones or pebbles roughly the size of peas in the bottom. Only a very tiny hole of barely more than one sixteenth inch in diameter should provide the outflow at the bottom of the filter. You'll also want a small overflow hole and collector pipe near the top of the filter to re-route excess water flow. Growth of bacteria in the sand is what performs part of the filtration process. Preventing sunlight from striking the sand will prohibit the growth of green algae. Maintenance consists of scraping the top quarter inch of sand off the pile when it's deemed necessary, and adding more sand to replace that removed after maybe three or four such scrapings. Note that boiling or other purification of any water output from the sand filter is still recommended. -- page 225, Country Living A Guide for City People by Jerome Belanger, Award Books, 1973 (2) http://www.refugeecamp.org/learnmore/water/simple_water_treatment.htm SLOW SAND FILTRATION Under certain conditions, in passing water through a bed of sand, particularly effective filtration is achieved by biological purification in addition to the mechanical action of the filter. For this to occur, the filtration must be relatively slow. A deposit is formed at the surface and in the top few centimeters of sand, in which breeds a whole range of bacteria and microscopic plants, forming a skin (called the Schmutzdecke, biological membrane or bacterial film), which works both biologically and mechanically. It acts as a very fine filter which retains or kills most pathogenic organisms: it eliminates eggs, cysts, nearly all pathogenic bacteria and a proportion of viruses. Slow sand filtration is the only procedure which achieves such an improvement of water quality in a single operation. A slow sand filter can operate for weeks or even months without maintenance (which consists of the removing of a thin layer of sand when the filtration rate becomes too low). In practice At the collective scale, the construction of this type of filter needs the input of a specialist, and then the maintenance is relatively simple. At a smaller scale, for example in a feeding center, a small filter may be made with local materials. Whatever the size of the filter, the operating principle remains the same. Important The bacterial layer is fragile and certain precautions should be taken to preserve it: never let it dry out, and never pass chlorinated water through it. (3) http://www.globalwater.org/Slowsand.htm Slow Sand Filter This type of filtration device is generally considered in the category of "Appropriate Technology" because of its relatively simple design. A slow sand filter consists of two or more filter beds containing 3 to 4 feet of sand placed over a gravel-supported underdrain. Most (if not all) of the materials of construction are often available locally, even in developing countries. As its name implies, a slow sand filter cannot filter a large flow of water in a small, contained filter assembly. Instead, it relies on a large surface area to filter a relatively slow flow of water (per square foot of filter area). Filtration rates of approximately 0.04 to 0.16 gallons per minute per square foot of filter surface area are typical. Therefore, a relatively large surface area is necessary to accommodate a realistic flowrate (for example, a 10-gpm flowrate requires between 60 and 250 square feet of filter surface area). Slow sand filters can provide removal of suspended solids, turbidity, as well as microorganisms without the need for chemical addition or the use of electrical power. It will not remove all microorganisms, but removes a significant amount due to the formation of a rich biological matrix called a "Schmutzedecke." This layer consists of a wide assortment of life forms including algae, rotifers, and many other organisms. These organisms assimilate microorganisms (protozoans, bacteria and virus) thus reducing their numbers as water passes through the biologically active matrix. Slow sand filters are cleaned by draining the filter and scraping the top inch of sand (which includes the "Schmutzedecke"). However, this destroys the "Schmutzedecke" and requires a re-ripening period that can take weeks. While one filter is being cleaned, the other is on-line to continue the filtration process. In recent years, a new method of cleaning slow sand filters called "wet harrowing" has been developed that simplifies the cleaning process. Also, the creation and use of polyethylene filter vessel structures have made the task of building slow sand filters much easier. It must be recognized that slow sand filters have their limitations in that they cannot remove high turbidity, high levels of microorganisms, nor chemical contamination from water. However Global Water uses slow sand filters wherever this relatively simple water treatment technology can accommodate local water conditions. These references appear to be reputable and seem to closely describe the type of filter you mention. I hope that this will help to restore your reputation with your Garden Club. Good luck, Redhoss |
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Re: Drinking urine
From: hlabadie-ga on 12 May 2003 05:59 PDT |
You might want to look up information on Morarji Desai, former Prime Minister of India. He lived rather a long time, advocating the ancient Vedic practice of Urine Therapy. Recycling urine by evaporation and condensation is a survivalist technique. And, of course, Urinetown is a big hit. hlabadie-ga |
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Re: Drinking urine
From: 17a12k-ga on 12 May 2003 06:36 PDT |
drink piss - u live longer ;) |
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Re: Drinking urine
From: probonopublico-ga on 12 May 2003 09:03 PDT |
Our water supplies are not only filtered (to remove larger impurities) but also sterilised (to make sure that the smaller impurities are rendered safe for human consumption). Furthermore, some further treatment may be necessary to adjust the pH value which often becomes unacceptably acidic after sterlisation. Obviously, where survival is at stake, then anything goes but the provision of safe drinking water has made a huge contribution to the health of those countries that have invested in the technology over the past 100 years or so. In my opinion, it is highly undesirable to use alternative supplies unless there is absolutely no alternative. |
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Re: Drinking urine
From: zeroone-ga on 12 May 2003 22:18 PDT |
A quickie ... for your reference http://www.urc.cc/urine.htm http://oregonstate.edu/~atwaterj/h2o_rec.htm http://www.sfdonline.org/Link%20Pages/Link%20Folders/02Pf/tcock140702.html Let me know if you find anything useful from here. Regards ZeroOne |
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