Greetings, slogging!
Thanks for being willing to up your fee a bit, so that I can give you
a more in-depth Answer.
I do want you to know that you are not charged *anything* -- except
the 50-cent listing fee -- until AFTER your Question is Answered by a
Researcher.
We gets lots of questions from website owners wanting to know why this
method won't show that any pages link to their website, even though
they KNOW for a fact that such pages exist.
Because of Google's secrecy, it is not known for absolute certain, but
the general consensus among experienced webmasters who have
extensively studied Google's "backward links" function pretty much
agree that if a URL has a Page Rank less than 4, the link: function
will not work, and that if it has a Page Rank of 4 or higher, the
link: function will only return pages with a Rank of 4 or higher:
From Senior Forum Member "Beachboy" at WebmasterWorld:
"Your index page is PR3, Google won't show any inbound links unless
the page you're doing the query on is PR4 or greater."
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/4784.htm?highlight=inbound+links+higher
From Senior Forum Member "Birdman" at WebmasterWorld:
"It is thought that Google only shows backlinks from pages that have a
pr4 or higher."
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/7309.htm?highlight=inbound+links+higher
For this reason, you may want to search for your URL on Google by
simply putting
www.icejobs.com
in the Search Text box and clicking "Google Search"; this will give
you a page that says:
------------------------------------------------------------
Athena Consulting and Outsourcing
Submit Resume. Animation | Home Page | About Us | Hot Jobs | Employers
| Are your efforts recognized? | Wizard to rate your Job Options ...
Description: Searchable database of jobs a number of sectors.
Category: Regional > Asia > ... > Mumbai > Business and Economy >
Employment
Google can show you the following information for this URL:
Show Google's cache of www.icejobs.com
Find web pages that are similar to www.icejobs.com
Find web pages that link to www.icejobs.com
Find web pages that contain the term "www.icejobs.com"
------------------------------------------------------------
://www.google.com/search?q=www.icejobs.com
If you click on "contain the term", you will get a list of web pages
that contain the URL of your site **regardless of their Page Ranks**
-- and even if your own Page Rank is less than 4!
://www.google.com/search?q=%22%2Bwww.icejobs.%2Bcom%22
Results 1 - 10 of about 114
Notice that a lot of the results are pages from your own site. You can
get rid of these by adding
-site:icejobs.com
(which means "subtract this URL from the Search Results")
www.icejobs.com -site:icejobs.com
Results 1 - 10 of about 26
This shows only some of the pages, so you need to click on:
"In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some
entries very similar to the 16 already displayed. If you like, you can
repeat the search with the omitted results included."
If you click "Next" through to the 3rd, final page of results, you'll
see that it says
Results 21 - 21 of about 26
The discrepancy "1-21 of 26" is due to the way Google's Index may
differ from actual page links, depending on which of Google's many
servers the Search hits, on where the Googlebot is in the process of
the "Dance" (the big crawl of the entire web made by the Googlebot
every 4-6 weeks), and on what has been done by the Freshbot (the daily
temporary crawler of submitted URLs and sites that the Googlebot has
decided to crawl frequently) since the last "Dance".
Now, for the *real* source of your problem:
When I look at your main page and see the hyperlinks "Best Links for
Recruitment and Selection (A Directory for EMPLOYERS)" and "The Best
HR Portals and Directories", I notice that they are preceded by a
little image of the word "NEW!". I'm betting that this is the change
that has caused such a lowering of your Page Rank.
http://www.icejobs.com/bestlinks.asp
Why?
These pages
http://www.icejobs.com/bestlinks.asp?id=1
http://www.icejobs.com/best_hr.asp
together contain *almost 60 links*!
This is almost certainly the source of the reduction in your Page
Rank.
Page Rank is the extremely complex algorithm Google uses to decide how
"important" a page is, and thus how high it will rank in Google Search
Results.
For more information on how Google Page Ranking works, I encourage you
to read the following excellent papers:
"The Google Pagerank Algorithm and How It Works" by Ian Rogers, IPR
Computing Ltd. (Last edited: 16th May 2002):
http://www.iprcom.com/papers/pagerank/index.html
"PageRank Uncovered" by Chris Riding on the Search Engine Optimization
Support Forums website:
a page of explanation and examples:
http://www.supportforums.org/pagerank
"PageRank Uncovered" by Chris Ridings
http://www.supportforums.org/PageRank.pdf
(This is an Acrobat .pdf document. If you do not already have Acrobat
installed on your PC, you can download the free Acrobat Reader here:
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep.html )
To get a higher Google Page Rank, you should ask sites with similar or
related themes (such as outsourcing, consulting, and IT-related
content sites) if they would place a link to your website on theirs in
exchange for you placing a link to their website on yours. You will
especially want to find other sites which already have a Page Rank of
4 or higher.
HOWEVER:
links from a few ***quality*** sites with related themes who link to
only a few other pages (including yours) will do far more to improve
your Page Rank than links from one hundred other pages that also link
to hundreds of other sites -- which will actually **HURT** your site's
Page Rank.
There are companies / websites (such as LinksToYou) that promise to
enhance your Page Rank through "Link Exchange" services. These are
also known as "Link Farms", and Google does NOT like them. Using them
is one of the quickest ways to get your site permanently banned from
Google.
In the same vein, you can have a "Links" page with a selection of a
few quality links on your website, but DO NOT post a "Links" page with
tons 'o links. These can give the appearance that YOU are a "Link
Farm", and apart from damaging your Page Rank, they can possibly even
get your site banned from Google.
WHAT TO DO:
Sit down with a printout of your links pages, and go through them
one-by-one. Be choosy about which links you will keep. In particular,
any sites that contain pages with HUGE numbers of links need to be
eliminated, because your Page Rank will suffer for being associated
with them.
Sites which do NOT have large links pages, and which have a Page Rank
of 4 or higher, are definitely ones you want to keep.
Once you have winnowed the lists down, modify your pages to show only
your chosen, Quality links. Then, resubmit your URL to Google, and
wait for the Googlebot and the Freshbot to come around.
://www.google.com/addurl.html
Be aware that it may take anywhere from 1 to 3 months for your Page
Rank to improve.
Before Rating my Answer, if you have any questions about this
information, please post a Request for Clarification, and I will be
glad to see what I can do for you.
Best Wishes on getting your website Ranking high again, with lots of
search hits!
Regards,
aceresearcher |
Request for Answer Clarification by
slogging-ga
on
16 May 2003 02:23 PDT
Dear Mr.Aceresearcher
Thank you very much for your response which I very much appreciate for
its hard information,clarity,comprehensiveness and diligence.
I have a request for clarification on some of the points you have
made.If you feel your clarifications are going to take up a
substanial amount of your time please let me know and I may post my
questions as a new question.Otherwise if you can do justice to the
matter just by answering yes or no, I am OK with this also.
The cause of the reduced pagerank you believe is the large number of
links on my link pages.In one's "link-building project" there are some
practical issues based on the following PREMISES ( correct me if these
premises are flawed):
1) To get say 10 good sites to place links to my site, I may have to
request say 50 to 100 othersites.
2) To get any other site to link to me, I will first have to show them
I have placed their link on mine.
3)Therefore I will have to place a large number of links somewhere on
my links-page to get links to me.
4)I can't do this in small batches of say 10 to 20 links each since it
will become very timeconsuming and tedious and because the target site
may miss seeing their own link on my site if they delay too much.
Specifcally :
0) Anyway, if I was to do it this way (batches), what is a good number
to place at a time on my links- page 10, 20 , 30 ?
1)How do other people get links to their ? Do they always first place
the target sites link on their site or do they request without doing
this first ?
Aside from the page rank issues,actually the links on my links page
are very useful resources for people who visit my site so, I am not
too happy about deleting most of them :
2)If I spread the links all over my site , on different pages does it
help as far as google is concerned ie is the google penalty based on
number of links on one page or total number of links on the site ? (
other things being equal ie aside from the issue of the quality of the
links)
3)In regard to the 2 links that I have in a prominent position on
every page of my site pointing to my links page ,
a) Does it matter if I dont include the word "links" in name of these
2 links and call these just "Good HR portals" ?
b) Does it help if I keep my linkspage 3 or 4 levels down in the
directory structure ? If it does help , is this effect negated if I
still
have links on every page of my site pointing to my links page ? ( I
assume that the google spider if it sees the links on every page will
still not go down 3 or 4 levels down and so will not know how many
links there are on my links page -- is this correct ?)
4)On another point you mentioned was the command "-site ".
Where can one read about all the advanced, complex search commands and
syntax one can use in Google search ?This information is not given in
the advanced search link on the google search page
5)You mentioned the google dance - where can one find out the
schedule of this event - does this occur at a regular ,predetermined
, date ?
Regards,
as ever
Slogging
|
Request for Answer Clarification by
slogging-ga
on
16 May 2003 02:30 PDT
Thank you very much for your response which I very much appreciate for
its hard information,clarity,comprehensiveness and diligence.
I have a request for clarification on some of the points you have
made.If you feel your clarifications are going to take up a
substanial amount of your time please let me know and I may post my
questions as a new question.Otherwise if you can do justice to the
matter just by answering yes or no, I am OK with this also.
The cause of the reduced pagerank you believe is the large number of
links on my link pages.In one's "link-building project" this leads to
some practical issues based on the following PREMISES ( correct me if
these premises are flawed):
1) To get say 10 good sites to place links to my site, I may have to
request say 50 to 100 othersites.
2) To get any other site to link to me, I will first have to show them
I have placed their link on mine.
3)Therefore I will have to place a large number of links somewhere on
my links-page to get links to me.
4)I can't do this in small batches of say 10 to 20 links each since it
will become very timeconsuming and tedious and because the target site
may miss seeing their own link on my site if they delay too much.
Specifcally :
0) Anyway if I was to do it this way (batches), what is a good number
to place at a time on my links- page 10, 20 , 30 ?
1)How do other people get links to their ? Do they always first place
the target sites link on their site or do they request without doing
this first ?
Aside from the page rank issues,actually the links on my links page
are very useful resources for people who visit my site so, I am not
too happy about deleting most of them :
2)If I spread the links all over my site , on different pages does it
help as far as google is concerned ie is the google penalty based on
number of links on one page or total number of links on the site ? (
other things being equal ie aside from the issue of the quality of the
links)
3)In regard to the 2 links that I have in a prominent position on
every page of my site pointing to my links page ,
a) Does it matter if I dont include the word "links" in name of these
2 links and call these just "Good HR portals" ?
b) Does it help if I keep my linkspage 3 or 4 levels down in the
directory structure ? If it does help , is this effect negated if I
still
have links on every page of my site pointing to my links page ? ( I
assume that the google spider if it sees the links on every page will
still not go down 3 or 4 levels down and so will not know how many
links there are on my links page -- is this correct ?)
4)On another point you mentioned was the command "-site ".
Where can one read about all the advanced, complex search commands and
syntax one can use in Google search ?This information is not given in
the advanced search link on the google search page
5)You mentioned the google dance - where can one find out the
schedule of this event - does this occur at a regular ,predetermined
, date ?
|
Clarification of Answer by
aceresearcher-ga
on
16 May 2003 09:23 PDT
Thanks for your clarification, slogging!
If it's acceptable, I'd be willing to Answer some of your additional
Questions as part of this one, and recommend that you ask the others
in a new Question, so that you get the best service for your fee.
Because it is a whole can of worms all on its own, I'd like to
recommend that you post this section on getting backward links as a
new Question (you can simply cut-and-paste it into a new Question if
you wish, or re-write it and expand a bit on it if you wish):
----------------------------------------------------------------
This is a follow-up Question to
http://answers.g00gle.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=202676
The cause of the reduced pagerank you believe is the large number of
links on my link pages. In one's "link-building project" this leads
to some practical issues based on the following PREMISES ( correct me
if these premises are flawed):
0) Anyway, if I was to do it this way (batches), what is a good
number to place at a time on my links -- page 10, 20, 30?
1) How do other people get links to their? Do they always first place
the target sites link on their site or do they request without doing
this first ?
Aside from the page rank issues,actually the links on my links page
are very useful resources for people who visit my site so, I am not
too happy about deleting most of them:
2) If I spread the links all over my site, on different pages does it
help as far as g00gle is concerned ie is the g00gle penalty based on
number of links on one page or total number of links on the site ?
(other things being equal ie aside from the issue of the quality of
the links)
3) In regard to the 2 links that I have in a prominent position on
every page of my site pointing to my links page,
a) Does it matter if I dont include the word "links" in name of these
2 links and call these just "Good HR portals" ?
b) Does it help if I keep my linkspage 3 or 4 levels down in the
directory structure ? If it does help, is this effect negated if I
still have links on every page of my site pointing to my links page?
(I assume that the g00gle spider if it sees the links on every page
will still not go down 3 or 4 levels down and so will not know how
many links there are on my links page -- is this correct ?)
----------------------------------------------------------------
As far as your other new Questions:
4) On another point you mentioned was the command "-site ". Where can
one read about all the advanced, complex search commands and syntax
one can use in Google search? This information is not given in the
advanced search link on the google search page.
A: Handy Google Search tricks like "-site:" can be found here, on
Google Help Central:
://www.google.com/help/index.html
You can get to this page by either:
1) Clicking "Services & Tools" at the bottom of the main Google page,
then clicking on "Help Central" in the left-hand column, or
2) Clicking "Jobs, Press, & Help" at the bottom of the main Google
page, then clicking on "Help and How to Search" under "Our Search".
5)You mentioned the google dance - where can one find out the schedule
of this event - does this occur at a regular, predetermined date?
A: The "Dance" generally occurs every 4 to 6 weeks, but there is no
regular schedule. The history of past "Dances" is posted here, by
WebmasterWorld's administrator Brett Tabke:
"Google Update History"
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/2657.htm
A helpful article by Markus Sobek about the Google "Dance" can be
found on the MIS Web Design site:
"Google Dance - The Index Update of the Google Search Engine"
http://www.miswebdesign.com/resources/articles/google-dance.html
And information about how to know when the new Google "Dance" has
started can be found here, in a post on WebmasterWorld by Forum member
Dazz (I recommend that you click on the link to read the whole post):
"How to tell if a Google Update has started...
When a Google Update 'HAS' started you can guarantee that within
minutes there will be a notice on the homepage of 'WebmasterWorld' [
http://www.webmasterworld.com ]. So when its near just keep your eye
on the homepage and when you see it there you will know that its ON
and its been verified by the people in the know. After that thats when
the fun starts and you can check on your latest results on the
www2/www3 Google servers!..."
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/5582.htm
I hope that you find this additional information helpful. Best Wishes
on improved Page Ranking for your website!
ace
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