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Subject: Failure to get listed despite proper metatags.
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: vietzen-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 16 May 2003 13:50 PDT
Expires: 15 Jun 2003 13:50 PDT
Question ID: 204790
Dear Expert,
I have a website, designed by a friend, and Metatag'ed by a
professional that I had to pay a good price for it. It has been three
months since the tags are added, and I have seen googlebot entering my
site almost daily, but visited one page only (homepage)each visit. No
things has happened, no listing, not even a trace on any search
engines anywhere.  Please let me know your advise. Many thanks

Clarification of Question by vietzen-ga on 16 May 2003 13:54 PDT
my website is :  www.tranzen.ca

Clarification of Question by vietzen-ga on 17 May 2003 18:34 PDT
Sorry,
I have no copy of old site. How often does google update the indices?
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Subject: Re: Failure to get listed despite proper metatags.
Answered By: aceresearcher-ga on 22 May 2003 01:00 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Greetings, vietzen!

First of all, I believe that robertskelton is right, and your site
does currently look as though Search Engines should not have a problem
with it.

However, I *do* think that there are a few things that you can do
while you wait to see if the Googlebot will index your site on the
next go-round.

Let's take a look at the content, design, and programming code of your
website.
  
We'll enter your URL into the Search Engine Spider Simulator at Search
Engine World. This simulator shows something similar to what the
Googlebot sees when it indexes your site:
http://www.searchengineworld.com/cgi-bin/sim_spider.cgi  
  
The simulator shows:  
------------------------------------------------------------------- 
Spider title          Balanced Scorecard consulting, zen management
                      consulting, telecom operations  
Spider meta desc      Tranzen offers Balanced Scorecard consulting,
                      alternative zen management consulting and 
                      telecom operations and start up consulting in
                      Canada 
Spider meta keywords  
Spider Text 
  Tranzen specializes in: Business Planning and Review - Strategic
Marketing Audit & Recommendations Market Demand Forecast - Market
Research & Segmentation Optimal Pricing Research and Strategy  -
Optimal Product/Distribution Strategy Balanced Scorecard Performance
Measurement Software Telecom Operations and Startup Consulting -
Mobile Demand Modelling - Mobile Network Services Balanced Scorecard
consulting Quick Links to Tranzen Services: Telecom Operations & Start
Up , QPR Scorecard Software , Marketing Management Services , Contact
Us Français à venir
------------------------------------------------------------------- 
Spidered Links 
 = spider this link with current settings. 
 = keyword density analyze this link. 
Link 
    http://english/telecommain.htm 
    http://english/qprmain.htm 
    http://english/mktgmain.htm 
    http://www.tranzen.ca/english/contactus_telecom.htm 
------------------------------------------------------------------- 

PAGE TITLES  
----------- 
This is a **very** important part of getting your site's pages noticed
and indexed by Search Engines: it differentiates the pages on your
site to Search Engines, and it increases the odds that **at least
one** of your pages will come up in a Google Search for your relevant
keywords.
  
Each page on your site should have its own title, and that title
should be fairly brief, but very descriptive of the contents and/or
function of that particular page. On your Main Page, your Title should
include the name of your business or the overall subject of your site.

So, while the 
<meta name="Title" content="Balanced Scorecard consulting, zen
management consulting, telecom operations">
seems to be working okay, I would seriously consider replacing this
with the more traditional <title> format, in something like:

<title>TranZen Consulting - Balanced Scorecards, Zen Management, and
Telecom Operations</title>

All of your other page groups each share a single title:

<title>Telecom network services consulting Canada</title>
<title>Balanced Scorecard consulting Canada</title> 
<title>Alternative zen management consulting Canada</title>

You will definitely want to re-work each individual page so that it
has its own title specific to the content of that particular page.


I also recommend that you correct the spelling on the following page:
<title>contact nformation</title>
to
<title>TranZen - Contact Information</title>


<META> TAGS
-----------
Regretfully, I must let you know that for the purposes of Search
Results Ranking, the Googlebot and most other major Search Engines
stopped looking at <meta> tags some time ago, because webmasters tried
to skew their Search Results by "stacking" their meta tags with
hundreds of keywords, many of which were totally unrelated to the
content of the site. While all of your <meta> tags are nice, they
really aren't going to do anything in terms of getting you good
ranking in the Googlebot or other main Search Engines.

However, the latest word is that Google and some other Search Engines
still look at <meta> tags as a way to cross-check the validity of the
actual text on your site, so you do still want to do a good job with
them.

There is another good use for the keyword list (which we'll get to in
a moment), so I would encourage you to expand this list a little bit,
for example:

<meta name="keywords" content="consultant, consultants, consulting,
consultation, consultations, balanced, scorecard, scorecards,
alternative, zen, management, manage, managed, manager, managers,
managing, telecom, telecommunication, telecommunications, operation,
operations, start up, start-up, startup, due diligence, demand
modeling, demand modelling, market, markets, segmentation, segments,
pricing, research, Canada">


It is known that the Spider Simulator sometimes doesn't see either
<meta> keywords or description, depending on the order in which they
appear. It is likely that that -- or the fact that you have a lot of
seldom-used <meta> tags in your header -- is the cause of no keywords
showing on the Simulator Results listed above. While you're tweaking
your website, I would recommend that you change the order of your
<meta> tags to:

<html>
<head>
<title>TranZen Consulting - Balanced Scorecards, Zen Management, and
Telecom Operations</title>
<meta name="description" content="Tranzen offers Balanced Scorecard
consulting, alternative zen management consulting and telecom
operations and start up consulting in Canada">
<meta name="keywords" content="consultant, consultants, consulting,
consultation, consultations, balanced, scorecard, scorecards,
alternative, zen, management, manage, managed, manager, managers,
managing, telecom, telecommunication, telecommunications, operation,
operations, start up, start-up, startup, due diligence, demand
modeling, demand modelling, market, markets, segmentation, segments,
pricing, research, Canada">
   ...followed by the rest of your <meta> tags...

and see if that doesn't cause both your keywords AND your description
to show up in the Search Engine Spider Simulator results.

I also recommend that you alter your slightly to:
<meta name="robots" content="all,index,follow">
<meta name="revisit-after" content="31 days">

 
ROBOTS.TXT FILE 
--------------- 
Also, upload a text file (this can be created with Notepad) to your
server with the URL http://www.tranzen.ca/robots.txt which contains
the following:
  
User-agent: *   
Disallow:    
  
This file will also encourage Search Engine robots to crawl and index
your page; it tells robots that they are all allowed to index your
site, and that you do not forbid them to visit any area of it. To
ensure that your robots.txt file is done correctly, run it through the
robots.txt file validator at:
http://www.searchengineworld.com/cgi-bin/robotcheck.cgi  


CONTENT/TEXT 
------------ 
Now, for the MOST IMPORTANT PART to getting indexed by the Googlebot
and other Search Engines -- your text.

The best way to convince a Search Engine that you have a lot of
content is to put a fair amount of it on your home page -- or at least
make sure that there is a lot of it on your site, and that you have
links, no more than 3 deep, from your front page which can be spidered
to find that text.

Here's where your keyword list comes in handy: Use it as a "checklist"
to make sure that you include these important words (and word groups)
in the text on each of your pages where they applicable -- preferably
2 or three 3 times.

Also, you should include "alt" text labels on all of your links and
your images -- spiders like the Googlebot see these and index them as
if they were straight text -- more content for your site!
 

Finally, once you have made all these modifications to your site, it's
time to submit it to Search Engines to be indexed. Here's how you
submit your site to Search Engines:
   
Be sure to follow their instructions; for instance, some Engines
request that you submit only your top-level URL (www.tranzen.ca)
rather than every one of your pages. Failure to follow the
instructions can result in lowered rankings or even in being
blacklisted from a Search Engine.
    
  Google:     
://www.google.com/addurl.html    
  (Be aware that it may take anywhere from 1 to 3 months for your site
to start showing up on Google; however, since Google also uses DMOZ as
a guide to its indexing efforts, you might be able to speed that up a
little by also submitting your site in a DMOZ category as described
next.)
  
  DMOZ (Directory Mozilla/Open Directory Project):   
http://dmoz.org/add.html    
   (find the category most appropriate for your business,
    such as one of those on this page:
Business: Business Services: Consulting 
http://dmoz.org/Business/Business_Services/Consulting
    once you're on the page for the category you choose,  
    click on the blue "Add URL" hypertext link in the  
    upper right-hand corner of the page)  
  
  HotBot:    
http://ldbreg.lycos.com/cgi-bin/mayaLogin?m_PR=29&m_CBURL=http://insite.lycos.com/searchservices/lite?step1.asp
  
  AllTheWeb:    
http://www.alltheweb.com/add_url.php    
  
  AltaVista:    
http://addurl.altavista.com/addurl/new    
  
  Zeal (LookSmart/MSN free submission w/free registration)    
http://www.zeal.com/users/register.jhtml    
  
  
For more information on developing a Google-friendly website, I
recommend that you study the information in Google's Help Department:
://www.google.com/webmasters    
Guidelines    
://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html    
Facts & Fiction (myths dispelled)    
://www.google.com/webmasters/facts.html    
Search Engine Optimization (SEO)    
://www.google.com/webmasters/seo.html    
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)    
://www.google.com/webmasters/faq.html    
User Support Discussion Forum    
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=google.public.support.general    
   
   
Another fabulous resource is the forum at WebmasterWorld.com:    
http://www.webmasterworld.com    
    
and at Search Engine World:    
http://www.searchengineworld.com    
    
I encourage you to visit these sites and learn more about making your
site attractive and friendly to Search Engines.


A Final Warning:
Be very careful about which sites you link to, and which sites you ask
to link back to you. Participating in Link Exchanges such as
LinksToYou, also known as "Link Farms", which contain pages and pages
with hundreds and hundreds of links, can get you banned from the
Google index very quickly, as can the use of auto-submittal and
auto-ranking-checking software such as WebPosition Gold. I strongly
encourage you not to do either of these things.
  

Before Rating my Answer, if you have any questions about this
information, please post a Request for Clarification, and I will be
glad to see what I can do for you.
  
I hope that this Answer provides exactly the information that you
needed.
   
Best wishes, vietzen, and I am looking forward to seeing your site pop
up in the Search Results soon!
   
aceresearcher
vietzen-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $10.00
I found nirvana from your thorough answer. You are great great great.
Many thanks for your help. Here is a token "tip" for your service.

Comments  
Subject: Re: Failure to get listed despite proper metatags.
From: robertskelton-ga on 16 May 2003 19:43 PDT
 
Metatags do not affect Google's indexing, except for:

<meta name="robots" content="all,index">

and it is fine.

I can find no reason for Google not indexing your site. Based on how
the site is listed at AlltheWeb, I would guess that your site has
recently changed, and there was something wrong previously, but not
now.
http://www.alltheweb.com/urlinfo?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tranzen.ca%2F&c=web&cs=utf-8

I would expect it to appear with the next Google update.

If you have an archived version of how your site looked a month ago, I
could see if there was a problem previously.
Subject: Re: Failure to get listed despite proper metatags.
From: robertskelton-ga on 17 May 2003 19:06 PDT
 
We have just had one, so approximately one month until the next one.

It would do no harm to submit your URL to them now:
://www.google.com/addurl.html
Subject: Re: Failure to get listed despite proper metatags.
From: ilovereality-ga on 21 May 2003 23:45 PDT
 
I did find you listed on google.ca 

://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=tranzen&meta=

I would suggest getting your URL posted on as many OTHER sites as
possible.  Submit it to Yahoo & other sites that are free, try to
trade links if possible.

As robertskelton said - metatags don't really affect google, or many
other bots anymore.
Subject: Re: Failure to get listed despite proper metatags.
From: aceresearcher-ga on 29 May 2003 05:03 PDT
 
Thank you for the excellent 5-star Rating and the generous tip, vietzen!

Best wishes on improved Search Rankings and increased traffic to your website --

ace

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