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Subject: Wanting to go Home-Sublime1
Category: Family and Home
Asked by: steph53-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 16 May 2003 23:16 PDT
Expires: 15 Jun 2003 23:16 PDT
Question ID: 204955
I left my home in early May to visit a friend, but now I am homesick.
Although, when I left my home I was bored & blah,

I am now so "ready to return",,
Why is it that what we ( me ) can seek & eventually think I found
peace,
Yet still search for answers?
I realize that this is a subjective question, but I thought I was
"growing" and now not so sure again :(
So................ my question is....
Just when does one know what one wants????????????

Request for Question Clarification by sublime1-ga on 17 May 2003 11:26 PDT
steph53...

Thank you for requesting me to answer your question.
I will be able to do that later this afternoon, if
that's okay, since I'm going to see 'Matrix Reloaded'.
This is, of course, in the spirit of researching your
question, since I'm sure the plot will address issues
of desire and will. I have also found several other
resources on this topic.
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Subject: Re: Wanting to go Home-Sublime1
Answered By: sublime1-ga on 17 May 2003 19:34 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
steph53...

Matrix Reloaded was less of a resource on this 
topic than I had imagined. On the other hand,
Joni Mitchell said it very well:

"Don't it always seem to go
 that you don't know what you've got
 'til it's gone..." - Joni Mitchell

Saabster-ga has expressed wisdom in his comment,
in that "the grass is always greener on the other
side of the fence" precisely because we seek our
peace by way of changing the things outside of us,
such as our location, our circumstances, our
possessions.

You are also beginning to notice that there are
levels of peace. Some are quite temporary, such
as the satisfaction following a good meal.
Others are so profound as to be unshakeable,
such as "the peace that passeth understanding".

The more our sense of peace depends on fulfillment
by something in the material realm, the less lasting
it truly is. The more it is founded in the invisible,
eternal and all-encompassing, the less likely that it
can be disturbed.

In recognition of this, I have long wanted to author
a book, titled 'Addicts All', based on my perception
that the root of all addictions, as well as the 
ultimately unsatisfying "seeking after material
things" in which we all engage, is an emptiness
based on our longing for a fulfillment which can
only be met by 're-cognizing', or coming to know
again, our oneness with the self-sufficient and
perfect nature of the source of All That Is.

In short, we are all 'addicted' to the feeling of
fulfillment inherent in the experience of oneness
with our deepest, truest nature, from which we have
become separated, but whose peace we have not 
forgotten in our innermost depths. Therefore we
innately seek that fulfillment in all the ways
proffered by our cultures, traditions, friends and
families, memories and imaginations. Eventually,
we begin to see that these methods are insufficient
to the task of achieving lasting happiness, and we
begin to sense, as all the saints before us, that
only by arriving at a comfortable familiarity with
the very core of our beingness can we find lasting
peace.

Enter the spiritual teachers, who say:

"All your agonies arise from wanting something that cannot
 be had. When you stop wanting, there is no more agony."
 (Signs of the Unseen: The Discourses of Jalaluddin Rumi)

"...desire for the world has deprived man of the Object of
 his desire."
 (The Sufi Path of Love: The Spiritual Teachings of Rumi)

"In a human being is such a love, a pain, an itch, a desire
 that, even if he were to possess a hundred thousand worlds,
 he would not rest or find peace. People work variously at
 all sorts of callings, crafts, and professions, and they
 learn astrology and medicine, and so forth, but they are
 not at peace because what they are seeking cannot be found.
 The beloved is called dilaram because the heart finds peace
 through the beloved. How then can it find peace through
 anything else?"
 (Signs of the Unseen: The Discourses of Jalaluddin Rumi)

"All the hopes, desires, loves, and affections that people
 have for different things -- fathers, mothers, friends,
 heavens, the earth, gardens, palaces, sciences, works,
 food, drink -- the saint knows that these are desires
 for God and all those things are veils.
   When men leave this world and see the King without these
 veils, then they will know that all were veils and
 coverings, that the object of their desire was in reality
 that One Thing... They will see all things face to face."
 (The Sufi Path of Love: The Spiritual Teachings of Rumi)

These, and other quotes are available from the Islamic
website, Halal.com, in Malaysia, on their page on 
'Understanding the Nature of Desire":
http://www.halal.com.my/halal1/desire.asp?hidname=Jalaluddin+Rumi


Another page, from the 'Mysticism in World Religions' site,
quotes Chuang Tzu on 'Understanding the Nature of Desire':

"Love of colors bewilders the eye and it fails to see right.
 Love of harmonies bewitches the ear, and it loses its true
 hearing.
 Love of perfumes fills the head with dizziness.
 Love of flavors ruins the taste.
 Desires unsettle the heart until the original nature runs amok.

 These five are enemies of true life.
 Yet these are what men of discernment claim to live for.
 They are not what I live for.
 If this is life, then pigeons in a cage have found happiness!"

The full text is available from this link:
http://www.digiserve.com/mystic/Taoist/Chuang_Tzu/desire.html


And. finally, I will quote Harry Palmer, founder of AvatarŪ,
from his book, 'Love Precious Humanity - the collected wisdom
of Harry Palmer'. I should note here that, from the AvatarŪ
perspective, desire is irrevocably intertwined with resistance,
in that resistance to something produces a desire for it,
be it conscious or deeply hidden and denied:

"Resisting a creation means that you will not willingly own it,
 experience it, or recognize yourself as its source."

"Either desiring or resisting results in the attraction of the
 creation that is the subject of your attention."

"If you resist something with enough force, you project it into
 environment and are surrounded by it."

"The surest way to make something persist is to resist it."

"Pretending is resisting what you decided to believe."

"Desire is a resistance to being without. Resistance is a 
 desire to be without. At the root of both is longing."
 [for one's true nature]

"You cannot change your relationship to an upset, pain, 
 idea, or fear by resisting it. You must experience it 
 to its limits, without resistance, before you can step
 beyond".

and, last, but not least:

"Desires. Resistances. They supply the motives that
 direct your life when you don't."

The homepage for AvatarŪ is here:
http://www.avatarepc.com/

...and the book is available from this page:
http://www.avatarepc.com/html/books.html


That should provide you with some food for thought, and
there are more links resulting from the search linked below.

Please do not rate this answer until you are satisfied that
the answer cannot be improved upon by means of a dialog
established through the "Request for Clarification" process.

sublime1-ga


Searches done, via Google:

"nature of desire"
://www.google.com/search?q=%22nature+of+desire%22
steph53-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
Thanks sublime1 for your answer. The links you gave are certainly
filled with "food for thought". I will be reading them more thoroughly
when I return home.

I hope the 'Matrix Reloaded' was as good as I have heard. But that
would be another new question....lol :)

Comments  
Subject: Re: Wanting to go Home-Sublime1
From: saabster-ga on 17 May 2003 08:48 PDT
 
We make the mistake of looking outside ourselves for relief for
whatever is ailing us.  The fact is that you take 'you'with you where
you go, so the answer is to get to work on 'you'.  Sounds cliche, but
do you have a passion about or an intense interest anything?  Step
outside of your box and risk finding a really good life-move beyond
self-imposed limits. Its all bull at the same time its all true, so
you have to be a hard head and just demand a great life by moving out
into the world-how to make a decision? Just make it.

good luck!
Subject: Re: Wanting to go Home-Sublime1
From: sublime1-ga on 18 May 2003 12:28 PDT
 
steph53...

Matrix Reloaded will not disappoint you...amazing...

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